t207 Donnelly

[tonyo]

I've been following t207s for a few months now and it seems I have heard from some that Donnelly is among the toughest in the set.

The bid on the Donnelly that ended on ebay recently flew by my limit, but I was expecting it to end higher than it did. Maybe in the 300-400 range?

What effect does the back being Anon have as compared to Broadleaf?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-T207-BR...item336f942f87

[sb1]

It is indeed one of the toughest T207's in the set. The Anonymous back does not generally bring as much as the Broadleaf, nor does the Broadleaf fetch as much as the Cycle, yet all three are probably about the same rarity. The card was on the lower end of the grading spectrum, just a bit nicer and a few upgraders would probably have joined the bidding and a resulting higher price.

[barrysloate]

Donnelly is tough, Donlin is much much tougher.

[tonyo]

Below is the list of t207 Broadleaf class cards in order of "value" according to 2011 SCD.

Does this list mirror actual difficulty?


Irving Lewis (emblem on sleeve)
Irving Lewis (no emblem)
Mike Donlin
Louis Lowdermilk
Ward Miller (Chicago)
George Weaver
---large jump---
Joseph Benz
Barney Pelty
George Tyler
Victor Saier
---small jump----
Arthur Rasmussen
Don Carlos Ragan
Morris Rath
George Mogridge
John B. Adams
William Cunningham
Charles Herzog
----26 others (including Donnelly)all tied--------
Roy Miller (Boston)
Eugene Woodburn
Tom Downey
---the following 4 are valued similarly to Recruit class cards----
Grover Hartley
Jay Kirke
Otto Miller (Brooklyn)
G. Harris White

[Sixtofan]

There is a wonderful article in vcbc detailing the t207 set including a survey of scarcity. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the set

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by Sixtofan

There is a wonderful article in vcbc detailing the t207 set including a survey of scarcity. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the set

I briefly tried to find that article (those articles - seems there were 2) or the vcbc issues, but couldn't come up with it without buying *almost* the whole run of vcbc....... haven't looked in a while though!

[sb1]

No.... quite a few differences from reality.

I would leave Lewis No emblem and W/emblem up there, as well as Donlin, Donnelly and Downey also would make my top 5, from there it gets pretty much up to individual experience. Tyler and Saier, along with a decently centered Speaker are tough.

Years ago Ragan, Rath and Rasmussen were considered quite difficult, but have proven to not be that rare. Woods and Weaver bring strong money but neither are hard to find. And the other two of the big three, Lowdermilk and Miller are available in many auctions every year.

Back to the top, the Lewis No Emblem has less than a handful known and the With Emblem can be just about as tough to find, especially anything above G-VG.

My random thoughts and experience. I put this set together about 10 years ago, when I could still buy groups with all of the backs in them, in other words unpicked, which gives one a better sense of real scarcity. The follow up work by Tim Newcomb further proved the difficulty and the nuances of the T207's.

[tbob]

Originally Posted by tonyo

Below is the list of t207 Broadleaf class cards in order of "value" according to 2011 SCD.

Does this list mirror actual difficulty?


Irving Lewis (emblem on sleeve)
Irving Lewis (no emblem)
Mike Donlin
Louis Lowdermilk
Ward Miller (Chicago)
George Weaver
---large jump---
Joseph Benz
Barney Pelty
George Tyler
Victor Saier
---small jump----
Arthur Rasmussen
Don Carlos Ragan
Morris Rath
George Mogridge
John B. Adams
William Cunningham
Charles Herzog
----26 others (including Donnelly)all tied--------
Roy Miller (Boston)
Eugene Woodburn
Tom Downey
---the following 4 are valued similarly to Recruit class cards----
Grover Hartley
Jay Kirke
Otto Miller (Brooklyn)
G. Harris White

Based on my having put together this set 3 times and also current want lists, the Mogridge and Pelty are right behind Lewis no emblem and Donlin. Benz' are plentiful among the rarer cards and should be lowered in to the final group. Sweeney and Ragan should be next in terms of scarcity.
Two Recruit backs, Block and Scott should be in the top 8 of all cards in the set. If you are looking for T207s in EXMT or better, Block, Scott and Wallace are next to impossible.
Just my 2 cents....

[tbob]

Wagner with the Carrigan back could be the toughest card in the set.

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by tbob

Based on my having put together this set 3 times and also current want lists, the Mogridge and Pelty are right behind Lewis no emblem and Donlin. Benz' are plentiful among the rarer cards and should be lowered in to the final group. Sweeney and Ragan should be next in terms of scarcity.
Two Recruit backs, Block and Scott should be in the top 8 of all cards in the set. If you are looking for T207s in EXMT or better, Block, Scott and Wallace are next to impossible.
Just my 2 cents....

Thanks everyone.

tbob's top 8 in the set:

Lewis emblem
Lewis no emblem
Donlin
Mogridge/Pelty
Sweeney/Ragan
Block/Scott (both recruit)

sb1's top 5:
Lewis emblem
Lewis no emblem
Donlin
Donnelly/Downey


sb1 honroable mention: Bauman, Tyler and Saier (broadleaf) centered Speaker (recruit)

[bh3443]

Hello Friends,
Thank you for all the sharing on this subject. I've always liked this series.
Best Regards,
Bill Hedin

PS: The Joe Wood and Buck Weaver have long been my favorites in this fine set!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bh3443

Hello Friends,
Thank you for all the sharing on this subject. I've always liked this series.
Best Regards,
Bill Hedin

PS: The Joe Wood and Buck Weaver have long been my favorites in this fine set!

Hi Bill
Weaver is one of my favorites too and I picked this one up around 10 yrs ago...
take care
leon

[bh3443]

Hi Leon,
Thanks for showing that Weaver! Man, it's a beauty and perhaps my favorite card of him!
Interesting story on the T207 Smokey Joe Wood card is that Joe Wood was a guest at a Boston Show in 1980 (Joe's son was a prominant dealer here in New England for decades) and he was signing. However, promoter Joe King ( I bought the promoters collection and MAN was it loaded!) did not have anything available to get signed.
I scoured the room and bought a triple folder and a 207 from Ernie White ( remember him? Founded Tuff Stuff) and Mr. Wood signed them for me. I had them but sold them in the early 1990's.
Like you, Leon, I love the stories such as this to go with the cards! Alas, I'm an old man with many tales such as this from my interesting life with cards. I'm glad we can share them along with our cards here on Net 54.
Everyone, have a wonderful New Year!
Your Friend,
Bill Hedin
PS: This is my 700th post,lol, I guess I talk too much! :O)

[sox1903wschamp]

Hi Bill: Thanks for the interesting Joe Wood signing story!

And I still need a Broadleaf, Anon or any back Bushelman so he gets my vote for being tough since I finished the rest of the Boston American subset at least 2 years ago .

[bh3443]

Originally Posted by sox1903wschamp

Hi Bill: Thanks for the interesting Joe Wood signing story!

And I still need a Broadleaf, Anon or any back Bushelman so he gets my vote for being tough since I finished the rest of the Boston American subset at least 2 years ago .

Thanks for the kind words! I have so many fond memories such as those and I'm really happy to share them. I really get smiling when you & Leon mentioned them!

I have to say that our hobby has been simply wonderful to guys like me.
I mean, making a living in this hobby/industry all these decades has been great. For me, it's the people like all of you here that keep me going! I never log out of Net 54 and I check it constantly to see if I missed anything!

I'm getting some T 207's, too! This thread sparked my interest so I picked up a few cards already! Leon is good for the card economy by giving us Net 54!

Thanks for giving me a fun project to work on!

Regards,
Bill