How Did This Card Get Graded An 8?

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Posted By: Addie_Joss

http://www.sportscardlink.com/itemdetail.asp?back=%2Fsubsection%2Easp%3Fid%3D836 7&id=702942

Don't know much about hyper linking but check it out. Its an auction from Sports Card Link. Look how rough the left border is.

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Posted By: Zinn

I've often noticed that with Mayo the grading companies are somewhat lenient with the condition of the the black borders.

With that said, it is hard to understand how it could be an 8.

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Posted By: Fred C

As far as grading goes there shouldn't be a difference between the way the grading company views an N300 (black border) and 1971 Topps (black borders). If that was a 1971 Topps then that card might grade a "6". Inconsistencies in grading really stink. The grading companies need to stick to one standard, not one standard for vintage and another standard for more recent issues.

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Posted By: MVSNYC

think about this...

what if you have a T206 card with similar edges and corners as this Mayo...with the white borders on the T206, it is LESS noticable and would probably grade an "8"...here, you use the same grading standards, but with the black edges, it's more noticable...

do you knock it down a grade just becasue it is more noticable in black?...is it still an "8"?

something to think about.

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Posted By: Addie_Joss

Looks to me as thought the card should be given a 5. That rough border is a major issue and a card with an 8 should be visually flawless with minor superficial defects visible only under magnification.

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Posted By: JimB

Incredible card. Michael makes a good point. Maybe it should be 7.
JimB

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Posted By: Harry Wallace (HW)

No sure if it is a strict NM-MT, but that is the nicest Mayo card that I have ever seen. I do agree that it seems as though both PSA and SGC give Mayo cards the benefit of the doubt.

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Posted By: Todd Schultz

I really have no problem with the grade, and I have seen some '71 Topps PSA 8s that had that look on an edge or two. More importantly, that card will be bought or not on the basis of its visual appeal, grade be damned. It's not like there are alot of collectors out there looking to upgrade their Mayo 7s who will just buy the slab.

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Posted By: Steve

Sometimes they will allow for a factory rough cut. Is that the case here?

I am not into the nuances of this set. However many sets up and including the

80's OPC have this.

I have many early 50's cards with the rough cut.



Steve

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Posted By: Denny Walsh

The "Diamond Cut" Kills this Card! Add the edge issue and I see a "5"....imho
Very Nice Card though....but $21,000.00...ahhh ~ No!

Life's Grand,
Denny Walsh

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Posted By: Steve

I agree the rough cut is one thing (if it is fact that) the diamond cut should have added the MC
to any numerical grade. They blew it on that one that is for sure.


Steve

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Posted By: David Seaborn

The Mayos are by far my favorite set I've ever completed. There are a lot of little things that make collecting it interesting. Many, many of the cards have this same cut with a rough left edge and a very smooth right edge. Therefore, the cut doesn't bother me that much (the grade is another matter). I remember this card being auctioned in late 2005 and what bothered me was what appeared to be the reminants of some glue or other adhesive on the back. Check out the back scan, towards the bottom...you can still make it out. With that said, it's still an amazing card. For those of you who think SGC gives a free pass on Mayos, I've submitted well over 100 over the years and I beg to differ. The black borders are unforgiving and SGC usually hammers you (part of the challenge of the set). I'll see if I can post some examples soon...

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Posted By: David Seaborn

Tell me again that SGC doesn't undergo very thorough scrutinizing with the Mayos...

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Posted By: Harry Wallace (HW)

Based on your photos, I think that SGC is very inconsistent with their grades. What do the back of those cards look like?

Look at this SGC graded VG example:

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Posted By: Steve

All the grading companies miss one now and again. PSA misses the most because they grade the most.

Even with all the crap that happens, the hobby is still better off now then it was in the 80's before grading.

The above card looks to me like a 1.5 so it appears SGC dropped the ball .........on that one at least.


Steve