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All in good fun guys...Jeter never paid my rent (see Bronx Tale), so I don't have a particular obsession with him...I just think he had the "it" factor...Paul Molitor didn't, sorry. Jeter was a fierce competitor, team leader and gutsy player. Let's not overlook the fact that he had more hits than Honus Wagner.
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10th SS in WAR per Baseball Reference. Wagner 130.8 Jeter 72.4. Let's not get too carried away invoking Wagner as a point of reference. Great player yes but his hobby standing far outstrips his pure baseball value IMO. Still, for all the reasons discussed, understandable. An easy hero in an age of users and jerks.
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Peter- the point of reference to Wagner was a simple fact, that Jeter had more hits than him, was all.
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Let's try it this way, if you could only pick one of the two players for your team, who would you choose, Jeter or ARod? Jeter or Miggy Cabrera? Jeter or Griffey? Jeter or Ripken?
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Exactly. He holds the same status and respect without the career = overrated.
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If there's a tower of famous American athletes since the early 1980s, Michael Jordan is number 1 by a mile but that next step down will certainly have Jeter. Right now the guy with the highest Q rating in baseball is Bryce Harper. Is he the best player in the league? Of course not, but if he and Trout walk into a bar, he's the guy that non everyday baseball people turn and go, 'WOW THAT'S BRYCE HARPER!' Jeter had a national farewell commercial by Nike! Who was the last guy to have one of those? Jordan. I'm not trying to counter the 'Jeter is overrated' argument, folks can throw that out all they want. Just trying to point out that regardless of how his numbers stack up to guys like Mantle and Mays, his fame at the very least matches theirs. |
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Adam, clearly we will never convince each other that the other person is right. So, again, let's respectfully agree to disagree.
I don't think people compare Jeter to Ruth or Mantle's career accomplishments or stats, BUT I think most baseball fans (especially knowledgable of Yankee history), have him as last generation's Yankee superstar, who completes the chain chronologically...Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Munson, Reggie, Mattingly...and Jeter. I still think people here (for an unknown reason) are downplaying the fact he is 6th on the all-time hits list (that's an enormous feat), as well as being a major contributor to 5 championships. When I look at him, I don't just look at stats on paper...there's many intangibles. |
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Lol. That's kind of funny!
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I know it was a joke but the funny thing is that Bryce Harper is a practicing Mormon and doesn’t drink alcohol.
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That being said, it is much better to be overrated than underrated. |
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