Goodwin & Co. Auction closing tonight!! 3/28/2013

[Leon]

A friendly reminder that the Goodwin & Co. Auction is ending this evening. I wish everyone luck unless you are bidding on what I am!! Here are a few of their highlights...

Auction Highlights

Newly Discovered & Possibly Unique 1916 Green-Joyce Babe Ruth Rookie Card (PSA 2-MK) - The Only Professionally Graded Green-Joyce Babe Ruth Rookie!

Unique T206 Ty Cobb “Bat Off Shoulder” w/BROWN LENOX Ad Back (SGC 30/2 w/ “Brown Lenox” Variation Listed on SGC Grading Slip) - Only Known Brown Lenox Card in Existence!

Possibly Unique T216 People’s Tobacco Scrapper Sheet Ty Cobb (Sideways Batting Pose) “Blank Back” (SGC “A”) – Only Encapsulated Copy on ALL Grading Services “Pop” Chart”!

1948 Leaf #60 - Richard Harris (PSA Mint 9) - “1 of 1 and the Highest Graded PSA Copy”!

Ultra-Rare 1888 Yum-Yum Tobacco (N403) Cap Anson (SGC “A”) w/Skinned Back – One of Only Four Copies Graded by SGC (w/NONE Encapsulated by PSA!)

Stunning 1932 U.S. Caramel Ty Cobb (PSA 8) - Only 3 PSA Copies Graded Higher!

1887 Kalamazoo Bats N690 Bastian/Lyons (SGC 30/2) - Only 5 Other Examples Included on the COMBINED SGC & PSA “Pop” Charts”!

Amazing T206 Near-Set Including 465 PSA Graded T206’s – Cumulative G.P.A. of 3.53, Qualifiers Notwithstanding”!

The Only Professionally Graded 1916 Green-Joyce Ty Cobb (PSA 3)!

Extremely Rare 1916 Green-Joyce Joe Tinker (PSA 3-MK) - Only Graded Copy on ALL Grading Services “Pop” Charts”!


http://goodwinandco.com/catalog.aspx






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[Sean]

Leon, do you mean that's the only Brown Lenox in existence on the back of a Cobb ? Not that it matters to me, it was out of my price range two weeks ago.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Sean

Leon, do you mean that's the only Brown Lenox in existence on the back of a Cobb ? Not that it matters to me, it was out of my price range two weeks ago.

Goodwin Auctions wrote those descriptions. I merely cut and pasted some of them to spruce up the post/thread. I would guess they mean it is in fact the only Brown Lenox of that variety of Cobb (known) but you would need to ask them. LL



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[bigwinnerx]

Some great stuff, I had bids in on many, now down to a few and hanging on for dear life. We'll see!

[CW]

Cool.... the card I'm shooting for wasn't mentioned in the auction highlights (whew!).

Good luck everyone (although luck will probably have little to do with it).

[packs]

I have a bid in. Here's to hoping.

[Runscott]

Wow. Still some good prices (low) on some very rare cards.

I'm very surprised the Green-Joyce Ruth is so low - given that it's unique, it's got to get up in the $80K range, right?

[Seiklis]

Well I didn't get any challenges on my T216 poke bid on Sweeney, kinda surprised I ended up with it.

G luck to the people in extended, hope it doesn't go too late for ya

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Seiklis

Well I didn't get any challenges on my T216 poke bid on Sweeney, kinda surprised I ended up with it.

G luck to the people in extended, hope it doesn't go too late for ya

Congratulations, Jack. It was very difficult to resist some of the cards in tonight's auction. In particular, I love the Kalamazoo Bats 'in action' card, the blank-back T216 Cobb, and the Kotton Cobb.

As I do every time they come up, I priced out the T206 'near set' (and I use the word 'near set' very loosely, as I really don't think leaving out that many major HOF'ers leaves the grouping with 'near set' credentials), and with the BP it's already close to retail. I don't get it.

[atx840]

Those Drum prices are

[MVSNYC]

Chris- whole new world, it seems...those SGC "A" Drums were selling for around $700 a few years ago...and PSA 1's for that much money? incredible. glad i got my PSA 2 Street several years back.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by atx840

Those Drum prices are

Wow!!

[RCMcKenzie]

Drums were too high for me days ago. Great cards though. Bigfish on the East Coast puts in his final bids on the way to work at 5:30 AM est. Probably the way to do it. I'm still in the running for some overlooked cards. Good luck to y'all.

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Drums were too high for me days ago. Great cards though. Bigfish on the East Coast puts in his final bids on the way to work at 5:30 AM est. Probably the way to do it. I'm still in the running for some overlooked cards. Good luck to y'all.

Markets are closed tomorrow.

Could go late tonight.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by atx840

Those Drum prices are

You ain't lying, those drum prices are f*cking stupid.....I'm sorry but I would never lay down those prices for those particular cards......3 people are going to end up getting their asses worked over when the dust settles on these cards.....pure silliness all the way around.

[AMBST95]

I hate it when I fall asleep at 1:30 and wake to find someone outbid me at 1:50! Uggghhh!!

[mrvster]

+1 .....Drums "A" should be at $2000 tops now..... I t only takes a few with stupid money to crank up the market on the rarer backs....look at red hindus(lenox is inmho almost a tuf)!!another few whales are obviously hunting them down...These 2 backs(drum and red hindu) are very skewed inmho, like Hindu brown pricing is also...I think whomever won the BB laffy got a great price, I don't believe the writing on the back was a period printer note, but actually in this case kept the price low, the only known example southern leaguer bb, is a 4k + card...I sat out on all of them....

the krugs went about right for a tweener scrap...could've went a little higher



brown lenox cobby


any lucky winners??

[MVSNYC]

Looks like i won the McGraw Lenox...considering how rare backs have gone thru the roof, i think this is a steal. a HOFer at a 'common' price. i'm very happy.

[Blitzu]

Hi,

Well, I finally did it. It only took me putting up a second and third mortgage on the house, scheduling an appointment to sell a kidney and a half next Monday, breaking open my childhood penny jar, heavy drinking, consulting an attorney regarding my upcoming divorce, and going to a casino with all my savings and betting on black several times in a row, but I did it with a minor $43000 or so. I now own three Drums. Wait, no, I forgot, my crazy bids of appx 5k on either an authentic or PSA 1 drum weren't even in the ball park. (I didn't bid on the Seymour for a board member).

What BS, first someone pays over 8500 for an authentic drum that looked like my kid found some scissors and thought it looked prettier with less edges, and then stuck the card to the bottom of his shoes with gum then ran around outside in the mud for several days. So now every drum is worth that or even a silly 24k? IMHO, People like this ruin an industry because it's probably only about money to them seeing as odds are these cards will hit the market again in another few years. Maybe I'm wrong and some diehards got them to keep forever, and good for them if so, but the prices are utterly stupid right now seeing as those authentics were worth maybe 1-2k on any day before these last two Goodwin auctions it makes it tough for collectors that don't have bottomless incomes to compete.

Off my soapbox

Jared

[ullmandds]

Shocking prices on t206...whats new! Some steals on potentially uber tough t216 "scraps"...minos...im happy to have won the blank backed t216 crawford.

[bigwinnerx]

I got the Trimmed 33 Ruth. Honestly, I did a cursory market search and figured out my top. It's not a deal, but, it's not terribly over either. I'm happy.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Shocking prices on t206...whats new! Some steals on potentially uber tough t216 "scraps"...minos...im happy to have won the blank backed t216 crawford.

Those were great cards. I would say 'steals', but as far as prices go, the 'scrap' quality doesn't mean much unless it's attached to a T206.

As far as Drum prices, I agree that they are surprising; however, you see how collectors talk up backs on this board, and we have a few T206 collectors who understand back rarity AND have the means to easily pay these prices.

I'll keep collecting the fronts of the cards...where the beautiful lithographs actually are.

[z28jd]

The Drum prices are crazy...which means it might be time to sell mine! How much longer could that market actually stay that high? I'm guessing someone is going for a set and the 1 of 1 sold them on paying top dollar. While I don't have a Seymour, I do have an ungraded(but it will grade) of another card listed as a 1 in the pop report. Which means chances are someone(or multiple people) has/have an ungraded Seymour/Drum out there too.

Edited to add: All but one card in the psa Drum report, is either population 1 or 2. The oh so common Griffith batting has four examples. So basically the pop report is going to be extremely low for any of these cards. Not that it shouldn't have been obvious already. Not only are Drum backs rare, they are spread over some many different subjects and some are graded by SGC, while others aren't graded. So finding a specific PSA example is always going to be nearly impossible

[obcmac]

I was curious about the blank backs listed as t216's. Is there any way to tell one blank back from another with the same front?

Mac

[Leon]

Originally Posted by obcmac

I was curious about the blank backs listed as t216's. Is there any way to tell one blank back from another with the same front?

Mac

I asked the auction house about this question. They told me that SGC had some way of determining they are T216. I will need to do some more research on that. Unless the team designations or some other determiner makes them different I am not sure why they couldn't be d303 or e106 etc.... That being said none of them took off in pricing. This is that ole supply vs demand doesn't equal value equation we recently spoke about (imo). I managed to pick up 2 blank backed ones and 3 other ones. I was happy with the prices.

[calvindog]

At least for the Chase, it could only be an E106 or T216 due to the team designation of Buffalo. I suppose either version with a blank back is equally rare, however.

[obcmac]

Thanks for the info Leon (but I will unthank you if you grabbed that t216 that I couldn't stay awake for...will remain nameless to keep the peace ;-)

Mac

Originally Posted by Leon

I asked the auction house about this question. They told me that SGC had some way of determining they are T216. I will need to do some more research on that. Unless the team designations or some other determiner makes them different I am not sure why they couldn't be d303 or e106 etc.... That being said none of them took off in pricing. This is that ole supply vs demand doesn't equal value equation we recently spoke about (imo). I managed to pick up 2 blank backed ones and 3 other ones. I was happy with the prices.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by Blitzu

Hi,

Well, I finally did it. It only took me putting up a second and third mortgage on the house, scheduling an appointment to sell a kidney and a half next Monday, breaking open my childhood penny jar, heavy drinking, consulting an attorney regarding my upcoming divorce, and going to a casino with all my savings and betting on black several times in a row, but I did it with a minor $43000 or so. I now own three Drums. Wait, no, I forgot, my crazy bids of appx 5k on either an authentic or PSA 1 drum weren't even in the ball park. (I didn't bid on the Seymour for a board member).

What BS, first someone pays over 8500 for an authentic drum that looked like my kid found some scissors and thought it looked prettier with less edges, and then stuck the card to the bottom of his shoes with gum then ran around outside in the mud for several days. So now every drum is worth that or even a silly 24k? IMHO, People like this ruin an industry because it's probably only about money to them seeing as odds are these cards will hit the market again in another few years. Maybe I'm wrong and some diehards got them to keep forever, and good for them if so, but the prices are utterly stupid right now seeing as those authentics were worth maybe 1-2k on any day before these last two Goodwin auctions it makes it tough for collectors that don't have bottomless incomes to compete.

Off my soapbox

Jared

As the old saying goes.....some people just have more money than brains....and in this case....it's very much true. Whoever won these cards better put them in a collection where they'll remain for a very, VERY long time as they're gonna be hard pressed to find another dumb f*ck like themselves to fork over that much money for those particular cards again. Happens all the time, morons who WAY overpay, decide they don't want it anymore, then hope to find another moron who will do the same, lol.......9 times out of 10, they end up taking the huge loss on resale. Always gives me a chuckle every time

[Blitzu]

I get frustrated for sure because I feel I'm overpaying with my bids and yet it's not even half the selling price. I'm also trying desperately to add any drum to my collection for the love of the company, not the potential of some sort of investment. It's too bad, but yeah, eventually the stupidity will wear off and these cards will find the normal market value again.

[Blunder19]

Well I didnt win the seymour drum.... Im fine with passing on a card that is worth $5K.. and sells for $25K....maybe the winner thought it was a Ty drum back..... when he wakes up and realizes it was a Cy drum back hes gonna be pissed

I obviously watched the auction very closely... i am very confident that the same person won all 3 drums...

Throughout the entire auction it looked like in fact two guys wanted all 3. all 3 would get a bid at the same time.. then all 3 would get a bid again... I wanted the seymour drum... but for $24,000 ???? isnt that around T206 SGC10 Plank pricing?? I think ill take the Plank lol.

[Blitzu]

Originally Posted by Blunder19

Well I didnt win the seymour drum.... Im fine with passing on a card that is worth $5K.. and sells for $25K....maybe the winner thought it was a Ty drum back..... when he wakes up and realizes it was a Cy drum back hes gonna be pissed

I obviously watched the auction very closely... i am very confident that the same person won all 3 drums...

Throughout the entire auction it looked like in fact two guys wanted all 3. all 3 would get a bid at the same time.. then all 3 would get a bid again... I wanted the seymour drum... but for $24,000 ???? isnt that around T206 SGC10 Plank pricing?? I think ill take the Plank lol.

Sorry Jaime that you missed that one. Not that it mattered but I layed off it, I respect other collectors and their goals just as much as mine. I'm still upset myself not having a chance at even an authentic for less than 8k. I thought the Seymour might reach 6 at most... My jaw dropped this morning when I saw it go off at 24.

[CW]

Damn.... was hoping you guys got your Drums, but, yes, those prices are insane at the moment.

[Jlighter]

Won this.

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=27553

Should make a nice display piece.

[mrvster]

as some may doubt the T206 set, in general, or pre- war cardboard, of possible "down " trending.....the set is just simply following wagner.....it's the ultimate set, and it's starting to show........sorry some haters...

there will always be "big fish" , even in the tough times.... and they know what to collect....Drum are not as rare as some other backs, but who knows when they will follow suite...

altho I didn't concentrate on rare backs, and don't own drum, uzit, bl 460 or the like, I do THANK GOD I collected what I did when I could.....

[lharri3600]

Originally Posted by mrvster

as some may doubt the T206 set, in general, or pre- war cardboard, of possible "down " trending.....the set is just simply following wagner.....it's the ultimate set, and it's starting to show........sorry some haters...

there will always be "big fish" , even in the tough times.... and they know what to collect....Drum are not as rare as some other backs, but who knows when they will follow suite...

altho I didn't concentrate on rare backs, and don't own drum, uzit, bl 460 or the like, I do THANK GOD I collected what I did when I could.....

Johnny Johnny,
Man with the stuff you let me see, you are golden!!

[benchod]

Very cool piece, Jake
That Matty Fatima poster was one of my favorite items in the auction

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by calvindog

At least for the Chase, it could only be an E106 or T216 due to the team designation of Buffalo. I suppose either version with a blank back is equally rare, however.

I only read the auction description for one of them, but it mentioned something about them being part of a find that included only T216's.

[tbob]

With all the NCAA basketball going on, I completely forgot about this auction ending and missed out on the Kotton cards :-( Even though they were graded authentic I thought they were good buys. Did manage this one I forgot about which appears undergraded and always liked the pose.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I only read the auction description for one of them, but it mentioned something about them being part of a find that included only T216's.

Hi Scott
Yes, I think that might have had something to do with the designations.

[Runscott]

I know we've established that the M101-5 Ruth rookie is plentiful, but I'm still surprised how low this one went.

And I'm stunned at how high the extremely partial T206 grouping went. Goodwin did a great job of marketing it, but still - you've got the items graded individually and a ready-made spreadsheet provided. It doesn't take much to calculate retail value.

[Matthew H]

What is so special about Cy Seymour? I thought the Zimmerman was the nicest one despite the trim. Seriously thou, if you have 25k to spend, buy something more interesting than a Cy Seymour T206, jeez.

[atx840]

Master set builder?

This Seymour RH went realy strong as well.

Auction

[Blunder19]

well for me.. he fits right in here....
(Maybe I should sell my BL460... with the drum price I figure the BL460 will be a $50K card)

[atx840]

Originally Posted by Blunder19

well for me.. he fits right in here....
(Maybe I should sell my BL460... with the drum price I figure the BL460 will be a $50K card)

Impressive run Jamie...looks fine the way it is.

[Matthew H]

Jamie, were you the underbidder?

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Shocking prices on t206...whats new! Some steals on potentially uber tough t216 "scraps"...minos...im happy to have won the blank backed t216 crawford.

Hey Pete,

Great get - love Crawford cards!

I got the Kotton Matty (not blank backed) that I believe was part of Dave Levin's find a couple years ago of T216s and other LA-based cards.

Don't think I got a "steal", but I'm really happy with the card for the price! I'm 99.9% sure I bought it for a lot less than Dave wanted for it back when he had it for sale...

Cheers,
Blair

[mrvster]

Fred Sanford herah

[CMIZ5290]

T206 PSA 7 John Mcgraw for $1200, I had to hook on that....

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by benchod

Very cool piece, Jake
That Matty Fatima poster was one of my favorite items in the auction

Thanks, can't wait to hang it on the wall.

[rman444]

Blair - so that was you who outbid me at 1:50am in the morning!

Originally Posted by Bosox Blair

Hey Pete,

Great get - love Crawford cards!

I got the Kotton Matty (not blank backed) that I believe was part of Dave Levin's find a couple years ago of T216s and other LA-based cards.

Don't think I got a "steal", but I'm really happy with the card for the price! I'm 99.9% sure I bought it for a lot less than Dave wanted for it back when he had it for sale...

Cheers,
Blair