NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-16-2018, 10:49 AM
Throttlesteer Throttlesteer is offline
Anson
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 830
Default A different take on centering

Many have acknowledged the recent premiums centered cards are receiving respective to their assigned grades. However, the trend seems to be shifting where the expectation is all cards (any grade) should be centered and off-centered stuff shouldn't be touched with a 10-foot pole.

This might be a positive thing for collectors if you can find a good deal. But, it's as if folks want to hang a OC qualifier on low-grade stuff, regardless of the grading guidelines. So, we've gone from sharp corners to centering; What's the next OCD to sweep the hobby? Color? Registration?
__________________
An$on Lyt!e
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-16-2018, 11:00 AM
bobbyw8469's Avatar
bobbyw8469 bobbyw8469 is offline
Robert Williams
member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 9,016
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Throttlesteer View Post
Many have acknowledged the recent premiums centered cards are receiving respective to their assigned grades. However, the trend seems to be shifting where the expectation is all cards (any grade) should be centered and off-centered stuff shouldn't be touched with a 10-foot pole.

This might be a positive thing for collectors if you can find a good deal. But, it's as if folks want to hang a OC qualifier on low-grade stuff, regardless of the grading guidelines. So, we've gone from sharp corners to centering; What's the next OCD to sweep the hobby? Color? Registration?
Centering is boss. No argument here and nothing will change it or topple it from its' perch.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-16-2018, 11:09 AM
Prince Hal Prince Hal is offline
Duncan
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 307
Default

I don't know if it is the next "OCD" but registration has always been the most important factor for me. I'm nearly done putting together the 1953 Bowman set with an emphasis on focus and registration. It has been a nightmare to find several of the cards reasonably focused/registered. There are a few that I am convinced do not exist focused, such as Whitey Lockman (please email me if you have one to sell anyone...)
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-16-2018, 01:07 PM
Stampsfan's Avatar
Stampsfan Stampsfan is offline
Bob Davies
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 1,118
Default

My take has always been corners, and I am a corner junkie. Having the cards I purchased as a kid (in the late 60's and early 70's), my personal preference is for the cards to be as close to the condition they were in when they came out of the pack.

Straight from the factory issues such as centering and registration have always been secondary or tertiary to me, versus willful (or unwillfull - sp? ) damage.

However, I will admit I now do look at centering and (to a lesser degree) registration when making a decent dollar purchase. I have this forum to thank for bringing these factors into my current buying habits.
__________________
Successful transactions on Net54 with balltrash, greenmonster66; Peter_Spaeth; robw1959; Stetson_1883; boxcar18; Blackie
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-16-2018, 01:15 PM
clydepepper's Avatar
clydepepper clydepepper is offline
Raymond 'Robbie' Culpepper
Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Columbus, GA
Posts: 6,928
Default

I'm just glad us off-center people aren't judged so harshly...not to our face(s) anyway. (proper emogi inserted here ___)
__________________
.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on others lives" - Jackie Robinson

“If you have a chance to make life better for others and fail to do so, you are wasting your time on this earth.”- Roberto Clemente
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-16-2018, 01:46 PM
nolemmings's Avatar
nolemmings nolemmings is offline
Todd Schultz
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 3,720
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stampsfan View Post
My take has always been corners, and I am a corner junkie. Having the cards I purchased as a kid (in the late 60's and early 70's), my personal preference is for the cards to be as close to the condition they were in when they came out of the pack.

Straight from the factory issues such as centering and registration have always been secondary or tertiary to me, versus willful (or unwillfull - sp? ) damage.

However, I will admit I now do look at centering and (to a lesser degree) registration when making a decent dollar purchase. I have this forum to thank for bringing these factors into my current buying habits.
Well said.
__________________
If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other. - Ulysses S. Grant, military commander, 18th US President.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-16-2018, 01:51 PM
rats60's Avatar
rats60 rats60 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 2,898
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stampsfan View Post
My take has always been corners, and I am a corner junkie. Having the cards I purchased as a kid (in the late 60's and early 70's), my personal preference is for the cards to be as close to the condition they were in when they came out of the pack.

Straight from the factory issues such as centering and registration have always been secondary or tertiary to me, versus willful (or unwillfull - sp? ) damage.

However, I will admit I now do look at centering and (to a lesser degree) registration when making a decent dollar purchase. I have this forum to thank for bringing these factors into my current buying habits.
Me too. If I had multiples of a card, I would go for the best centered card and one that was in focus. If I only had an off centered one, it was fine for the set. I will gladly take a NM card with 60/40 centering over a VG one that is 50/50.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-16-2018, 03:04 PM
conor912's Avatar
conor912 conor912 is offline
C0nor D0na.hue
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 3,151
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rats60 View Post
Me too. If I had multiples of a card, I would go for the best centered card and one that was in focus. If I only had an off centered one, it was fine for the set. I will gladly take a NM card with 60/40 centering over a VG one that is 50/50.
Ha. 60/40 IS centered (to me)
__________________
Items for sale or trade here UPDATED 3-16-18
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-16-2018, 03:15 PM
JollyElm's Avatar
JollyElm JollyElm is offline
D@rrΣn Hu.ghΣs
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 7,331
Default

I gladly jumped on a bunch of beautiful cards recently (post-war) that were either 8's or 9's with the OC qualifier, simply because the centering wasn't bad at all (they probably came within a hair or two of not receiving the dreaded Q) and they only cost a fraction of the price of straight 8's and 9's.
__________________
All the cool kids love my YouTube Channel:
Elm's Adventures in Cardboard Land

https://www.youtube.com/@TheJollyElm

Looking to trade? Here's my bucket:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152396...57685904801706

“I was such a dangerous hitter I even got intentional walks during batting practice.”
Casey Stengel

Spelling "Yastrzemski" correctly without needing to look it up since the 1980s.

Overpaying yesterday is simply underpaying tomorrow.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-16-2018, 03:44 PM
JustinD's Avatar
JustinD JustinD is offline
Ju$tin D@v3n.por+
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Birmingham, Mi
Posts: 2,609
Default

I admit to readily buying a centered 5 over an OC 9 any time. It's definitely a thing that bothers me to a point of not enjoying the card as much as I would want to.

But it's not new, I have always felt that way. On the other side, I am not adverse to a soft corner here and there if I must. I actually prefer it sometimes in a prewar card to add to the look...as weird as that may sound to some.
__________________
- Justin D.


Player collecting - Lance Parrish, Jim Davenport, John Norlander.

Successful B/S/T with - Highstep74, Northviewcats, pencil1974, T2069bk, tjenkins, wilkiebaby11, baez578, Bocabirdman, maddux31, Leon, Just-Collect, bigfish, quinnsryche...and a whole bunch more, I stopped keeping track, lol.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11-19-2018, 07:27 AM
Leon's Avatar
Leon Leon is offline
Leon
peasant/forum owner
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: near Dallas
Posts: 34,196
Default

Centering is all the rage nowadays. A nicely centered card really is nicer to look at, for me, so that is what I focus on. Not sure what all the next rage will be but hopefully it will be generic RPPCs ... This one isn't centered too well but the hats make up for it!!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg girls1.jpg (75.3 KB, 740 views)
__________________
Leon Luckey

Last edited by Leon; 11-19-2018 at 07:28 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-19-2018, 09:32 AM
scooter729's Avatar
scooter729 scooter729 is offline
Scott S
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Boston area
Posts: 2,618
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stampsfan View Post
My take has always been corners, and I am a corner junkie. Having the cards I purchased as a kid (in the late 60's and early 70's), my personal preference is for the cards to be as close to the condition they were in when they came out of the pack.

Straight from the factory issues such as centering and registration have always been secondary or tertiary to me, versus willful (or unwillfull - sp? ) damage.

However, I will admit I now do look at centering and (to a lesser degree) registration when making a decent dollar purchase. I have this forum to thank for bringing these factors into my current buying habits.
Very similar approach for me. However, since I still own the cards from when centering and registration were less important to me, what do I do with ones like this now??
Attached Images
File Type: jpg t206 cobb 1.jpg (74.9 KB, 704 views)
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-19-2018, 12:05 PM
darwinbulldog's Avatar
darwinbulldog darwinbulldog is online now
Glenn
Glen.n Sch.ey-d
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: South Florida
Posts: 3,231
Default

Cobb looks like Leona Helmsley there. Interesting effect.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-19-2018, 07:42 PM
Nonsensename1 Nonsensename1 is offline
Ben H
member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: SW WA
Posts: 74
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustinD View Post
I admit to readily buying a centered 5 over an OC 9 any time. It's definitely a thing that bothers me to a point of not enjoying the card as much as I would want to.



But it's not new, I have always felt that way. On the other side, I am not adverse to a soft corner here and there if I must. I actually prefer it sometimes in a prewar card to add to the look...as weird as that may sound to some.


I agree. Glancing at a card centering, a mark or something marring the players face can be disqualifying. If I notice it at first glance I know it will bother me every time I look at it no matter how nice the other attributes may be.

But for a 90 year old card rounded corners can feel “appropriate” and not bother me as much. All things equal better all around is better obviously. But it is great we can all have different preferences and target different stuff.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-19-2018, 08:26 PM
Throttlesteer Throttlesteer is offline
Anson
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 830
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by scooter729 View Post
Very similar approach for me. However, since I still own the cards from when centering and registration were less important to me, what do I do with ones like this now??
Cobb is sad you're making fun of him. His makeup is running.
__________________
An$on Lyt!e
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11-19-2018, 08:47 PM
Ritz Collector Ritz Collector is offline
member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 26
Default

I don't mind as long as the criteria is consistent. Plus, card fixers cannot fix the centering so probably a natural progression because of technology.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11-19-2018, 09:38 PM
Orioles1954 Orioles1954 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 2,253
Default

Poor centering is not a big deal to me as that is how the card(s) were packed out. Same with registration. Soft corners and creases are far less tolerable to me as those were caused by collectors, not printing machines. I'll never deal with paper loss, residue or trimming.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 11-20-2018, 01:23 AM
Steve D's Avatar
Steve D Steve D is offline
5t3v3...D4.w50n
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 1,884
Default

For me, #1 is focus/registration, #2 is centering and #3 is corners/edges.

I also agree with Prince Hal regarding 1953 Bowman. I'm working on the HOFers in the set, and have been at a standstill for months, trying to find focused and centered cards of the last seven HOFers I need.


Steve
__________________
Successful BST deals with eliotdeutsch, gonzo, jimivintage, Leon, lharris3600, markf31, Mrc32, sb1, seablaster, shammus, veloce.

Current Wantlist:
1909 Obak Howard (Los Angeles) (no frame on back)
1910 E90-2 Gibson, Hyatt, Maddox
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 11-20-2018, 12:25 PM
jchcollins's Avatar
jchcollins jchcollins is offline
J0hn Collin$
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: NC
Posts: 3,223
Default

I will agree that with so much nit-picky focus on centering over the past decade plus, it's interesting to me that registration and color issues aren't highlighted more. Last year at one point I had 2 copies of a PSA 6 1967 Topps Clemente #400. One was centered very well and had perfect color and registration. The other was centered a little worse, and the image had a very light blur effect to it; Roberto's teeth had almost a 3D quality. Putting the cards side-by-side, it was a no brainer which was the more desirable card - yet they were both PSA 6's and in the absence of a comparison - the one with the worse registration would not have anything officially "remarkable" to be said about it in an auction listing. This is difficult to understand. I can tolerate an OC card or a dinged corner for a lot longer than I can a card with overall poor registration.
__________________
Postwar vintage stars & HOF'ers.

Last edited by jchcollins; 11-20-2018 at 12:25 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 11-20-2018, 04:07 PM
Touch'EmAll Touch'EmAll is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,034
Default

For what is most important, I would say equal tie between centering, focus and printing (marks, dots, the color job). If all three aren't really good I won't even consider the card. I have too little money and there is too much nice stuff to buy a card that is little too "off" in a category. Now, about corners, they have to be simply decent for the grade. The corners kinda sorta have already been taken into account with the grade on the slab. But the grade on the slab doesn't always take into consideration the centering (60/40 vs 55/45 vs 50/50), focus, and factory slight print blips
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 11-29-2018, 02:07 PM
jchcollins's Avatar
jchcollins jchcollins is offline
J0hn Collin$
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: NC
Posts: 3,223
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by darwinbulldog View Post
Cobb looks like Leona Helmsley there. Interesting effect.
LOL he DOES look like Lenona Helmsley...
__________________
Postwar vintage stars & HOF'ers.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 11-29-2018, 07:17 PM
ls7plus ls7plus is offline
Larry
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Southfield, Michigan
Posts: 1,765
Default

For my money, the importance of centering will vary with the rarity and significance of the card. If it's rare and desirable enough, it will be enough to simply add almost any example to one's collection. I do believe, however, it will continue to be of prime importance with regard to most cards for the simple fact that it DOES enhance eye appeal a great deal.

Best wishes,

Larry
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 10-21-2019, 11:57 AM
jchcollins's Avatar
jchcollins jchcollins is offline
J0hn Collin$
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: NC
Posts: 3,223
Default A different take on centering

Sorry for bumping an old thread. But I will 1) because it's still a relevant issue, and 2) - I think I've come to a new realization around my own tolerances for centering. Aside from a brief episode of "obsess about the grade over enjoying the card" in the early 2000's where I became hyper-focused on centering - I've never been much of a centering freak for most of my collecting career. I think I've come to realize that what I really don't like is "sliver borders" - which generally means cards worse than 80/20 up to miscut. But 75/25, or 70/30? At the end of the day, it's hard for me to have real problems with those - because back in the 1980's when old cards were generally only available at shops and shows - it was just so common that I didn't really think much about it. I owned and loved / cherished many such cards that at the time were 25, 30 years old when I was 11 or 12.

I suppose it does depend some on overall eye-appeal, and the individual card - i.e. it's hard to not wince at a card with 3 blown corners that is also egregiously O/C - but anymore a nice EX-MT card with 75/25 borders doesn't give me the pause it once did for whatever reason.
__________________
Postwar vintage stars & HOF'ers.

Last edited by jchcollins; 11-01-2019 at 12:27 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 10-21-2019, 03:02 PM
GeoPoto's Avatar
GeoPoto GeoPoto is offline
Ge0rge Tr0end1e
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Saint Helena Island, SC
Posts: 1,403
Default

I expect the trend to be toward prizing cards with more (overall) border ahead of perfect centering. For example, two cards same grade: Card 1 is perfectly centered with medium to narrow margins all around; and Card 2 is centered a little high and right. But Card 2 has two sides that have borders very similar to Card 1 and two borders that are bigger, hence the off center. Wouldn't you suspect Card 1 is perfectly centered because it was trimmed,
making Card 2 more attractive because it wasn't?

Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 10-21-2019, 03:45 PM
LincolnVT LincolnVT is offline
Ethan
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: VT
Posts: 1,328
Default Centering

I agree that centering does and should bring a priemium. Many of the BSF E98s that were untouched for over 100 years can even be found with severe off-centering / issues. That said, a few appear to have perfect centering, corners and registration. Very rare to find pre war cards with these attributes.

Last edited by LincolnVT; 10-21-2019 at 03:48 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 10-21-2019, 04:18 PM
HercDriver's Avatar
HercDriver HercDriver is offline
Geno W@gn&r
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,931
Default Centering

If one of my cards is off-centered, I just move over a bit. The registry thing usually goes away after I wake up and take the bottles out to the recycling.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 10-21-2019, 04:28 PM
gawaintheknight gawaintheknight is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,038
Default

Maybe this is just me, but: my thing has always been that if it's a flaw that happened before it came out of a pack, like wax stains or centering or print lines, then it's less concerning to me than if it's a flaw that happened afterwards, like creasing or writing or surface wear. I'll take better centering over worse if that's the only difference, but as a general principle that's what I work with.
__________________
My website: https://edwardwclayton.wixsite.com/my-site
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 10-21-2019, 04:52 PM
jchcollins's Avatar
jchcollins jchcollins is offline
J0hn Collin$
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: NC
Posts: 3,223
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoPoto View Post
I expect the trend to be toward prizing cards with more (overall) border ahead of perfect centering. For example, two cards same grade: Card 1 is perfectly centered with medium to narrow margins all around; and Card 2 is centered a little high and right. But Card 2 has two sides that have borders very similar to Card 1 and two borders that are bigger, hence the off center. Wouldn't you suspect Card 1 is perfectly centered because it was trimmed,
making Card 2 more attractive because it wasn't?

Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk
Interesting point. I think it will depend on the issue. For example 1967 Topps cards when perfectly centered (virtually impossible to find that also without tilt, but I digress..) are a good example of your Card 1. The white edges are a bit thinner than the garden variety vintage Topps set without a full-bleed border - compare them, say - to 1958 Topps. The borders on '58s are thicker. So with all the recent alteration / fraud hoopla - how are collectors to regard that rare, perfectly centered '67 card that might have PSA 8 or higher quality corners? I would agree with you there will likely be a lot more suspicion of trimming. In that regard - having never been a true centering freak to start with - I can live with some issues which in time to come might make a card seem more apt to be unaltered. I picked up a '67 Mantle #150 today that is sharp, but centered slightly toward the bottom and right. It's off maybe somewhere between 70/30 and 75/25 side to side. I'm over it. Time was a card like that would have bothered me, but anymore it just doesn't. Overall it's still a pretty solid EX-MT.
__________________
Postwar vintage stars & HOF'ers.

Last edited by jchcollins; 10-21-2019 at 04:54 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 10-21-2019, 05:04 PM
bnorth's Avatar
bnorth bnorth is online now
Ben North
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 9,787
Default

I borrowed this pic from another thread. I would take this Aaron card over one perfectly centered in the same condition any day of the week.

Centering means almost nothing to me. Just no major creases or paper loss though the players face and I am OK.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg aaron.jpg (60.8 KB, 335 views)
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 10-21-2019, 05:34 PM
ValKehl's Avatar
ValKehl ValKehl is offline
Val Kehl
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Manassas, VA (DC suburb)
Posts: 3,525
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gawaintheknight View Post
Maybe this is just me, but: my thing has always been that if it's a flaw that happened before it came out of a pack, like wax stains or centering or print lines, then it's less concerning to me than if it's a flaw that happened afterwards, like creasing or writing or surface wear. I'll take better centering over worse if that's the only difference, but as a general principle that's what I work with.
Plus 1.
__________________
Seeking very scarce/rare cards for my Sam Rice master collection, e.g., E210 York Caramel Type 2 (upgrade), 1931 W502, W504 (upgrade), W572 sepia, W573, W575-1 E. S. Rice version, 1922 Haffner's Bread, 1922 Keating Candy, 1922 Witmor Candy Type 2 (vertical back), 1926 Sports Co. of Am. with ad & blank backs. Also T216 Kotton "NGO" card of Hugh Jennings. Also 1917 Merchants Bakery & Weil Baking cards of WaJo.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 10-21-2019, 05:37 PM
oldjudge's Avatar
oldjudge oldjudge is offline
j'a'y mi.ll.e.r
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Bronx
Posts: 5,353
Default

For me, most important is the appearance of the image area. Clarity, surface abrasions or creases are big negatives, especially if they impact the player’s face. These same faults on the borders mean much less. To me, east-west centering is very important, north-south less so. Corners don’t mean a lot and back damage, especially on blank back cards, means virtually nothing. I’m picky on cards where I have multiple copies to choose from. On many things I collect the cards are rare and then I take what I can get and upgrade if a better copy comes along.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 10-21-2019, 07:06 PM
DeanH3's Avatar
DeanH3 DeanH3 is offline
D/e/@/n H/@/c/k/e/t/t
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Northern California
Posts: 1,941
Default

I'm still a centering snob and I don't expect that to change. Give me soft corners and centered any day.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg img216.jpg (80.4 KB, 296 views)
File Type: jpg img208.jpg (79.1 KB, 296 views)
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 10-21-2019, 07:21 PM
Popcorn Popcorn is offline
Christopher
Chr.is Gl@sby
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 190
Default

never cared about centered cards or even the condition for the longest time

it kind of reminds me of the modern guys chasing the exact same looking card with a number or different color on it and paying astronomical amounts of money for it
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 10-21-2019, 08:39 PM
Bigdaddy's Avatar
Bigdaddy Bigdaddy is offline
+0m J()rd@N
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: VA
Posts: 1,823
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanH3 View Post
Give me soft corners and centered any day.
Like Dean, I'll generally take centering over soft corners, the ratio increasing rapidly the older a card is. Good registration though, is a must-have. I can't stand a blurry card. The '57 Topps seemed particularly prone to registration issues - I think it seems more noticeable on cards on which the players are full-posed, rather than a cloeseup; I guess because the details are much smaller. I also found registration hard on the some of the '62 Topps.
__________________
Working Sets:
Baseball-
T206 SLers - Virginia League (-2)
1952 Topps - low numbers (-1)
1954 Bowman (-5)
1964 Topps Giants auto'd (-2)
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 10-22-2019, 01:24 AM
JunkyJoe JunkyJoe is offline
Bill
member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: West Coast
Posts: 39
Default

I don't mind if a card is horizontally O/C up to 90/10, especially if the lower border is the thinner one. It's the vertically O/C cards that have less eye appeal, for me anyway. Vertically 65/35 or better is no prob, but any more than that and it's a no-deal for me. As for corners and edges, I don't mind rounded corners and scuffed edges on pre-70's cards. A light crease or two, no prob. However, register/focus/surface cleanliness are huge for me. The card could be centered 50/50 with perfect corners and edges, but if the player's face is blurred or there's obvious stains or print imperfections, then the eye appeal is lost for me.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 10-22-2019, 04:11 AM
toledo_mudhen's Avatar
toledo_mudhen toledo_mudhen is offline
Lonnie Nagel
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: St. Joe, Missouri
Posts: 1,352
Default

Can't help it - OC disorder - quite possibly a "perfect" card?

159 Schmitz 84 Obverse #1
__________________
Lonnie Nagel
T206 : 169/520 : 32.25%
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 10-22-2019, 01:25 PM
Throttlesteer Throttlesteer is offline
Anson
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 830
Default

I guess another interesting data point is, centering might be the hardest thing to alter on a card next to registration. Sure, you can trim a little here and there. But you cant "fix" substantially off centered cards. You can clean/bleach/recolor surfaces and trim corners.
__________________
An$on Lyt!e
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 10-22-2019, 03:21 PM
thatkidfromjerrymaguire thatkidfromjerrymaguire is offline
John Donovan
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 458
Default

Centering doesn't bother me too much...and lately that seems to work in my favor. Since right now I am not really concerned about the "value" of my cards, I'm able to pick up some slightly off centered HOF cards for my sets and collections for a discount compared to their perfectly centered counterparts.

Obviously, when it comes time to sell (or more likely, for my family to sell) my collection, then the return for the cards likely won't be as high as if I had perfectly centered cards. But then again, who knows? Maybe the "centering craze" will slowly fade and centered cards will no longer sell for a premium?

But for me, it turns out registration is more important to me than I realized. When I first got in to vintage a few years ago, I did start coming across (and passing on) cards that just didn't seem right. They looked "out of focus", but since the images were drawings, not photographs, then something being "out of focus" didn't make sense. It wasn't until I started reading about registration right here on Net54 that I discovered what that meant.

I can still enjoy a painting of Willie Mays if it's slightly off centered in the border...but if he appears blurry or "out of focus", it really decreases my enjoyment of the card.

It's funny that we can all agree that collecting vintage cards is awesome, but we have lots of disagreements around which card attributes are the most important.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 10-24-2019, 09:52 AM
Leon's Avatar
Leon Leon is offline
Leon
peasant/forum owner
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: near Dallas
Posts: 34,196
Default

Attributes of cards are a very personal thing . I am with those that say centering is numero uno but other aspects have to be there too. Big borders are a must nowadays (for me). I don't mind any damage to blank areas very much.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg wallace.jpg (82.1 KB, 78 views)
__________________
Leon Luckey
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Centering Touch'EmAll Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 29 11-09-2017 03:52 PM
Centering Texas Ted Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 11 12-03-2015 01:52 PM
How's the centering? davetruth Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 19 06-21-2014 05:51 AM
Centering Touch'EmAll Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 30 02-26-2011 10:07 AM
T-B or L-R Centering mintacular Postwar Baseball Cards Forum (Pre-1980) 3 11-13-2010 07:18 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:55 AM.


ebay GSB