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Old 03-12-2017, 11:21 AM
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Default Cards cracked from holders.Resubmitted

Well, I cracked some cards from various holders and submitted the cards "raw" to PSA and asked them to be graded with NO Qualifiers. I collect hockey cards so the results will likely vary to other sports. Generally speaking I'm pretty happy with the results but, there are definitely some discrepancies..without a doubt KSA cards are risky...Here are the results..

Cards submitted..1965 Topps Hockey

Toe Blake was Beckett 7 now PSA 8
Gump Worsley was SGC 7 now PSA 7
Jean Beliveau was KSA 8 now PSA 5
Billy Harris was "raw" now PSA 6.5
Glenn Hall was "raw" now PSA 5
Al MacNeil was Beckett 7 now PSA 6
Stan Mikita was SGC 8 now PSA 8
Ken Wharram was "raw" now PSA 8 (looked like a 9 to me)
Terry Harper was Becket 7 now PSA 5
Tim Horton was KSA 8 now PSA 7
Frank Mahovlich was Becket 7 now PSA 6
Phil Goyette was KSA 7 now PSA 6
Elmer vasko was "raw" now PSA 7
Phil Esposito was "raw" now PSA 4.5 (Card had great colour and centring, was looking for a grade between 5 or 6)

Last but not least #121 Checklist (unmarked and slightly off centre) was KSA 8 now PSA 5

The results speak for themselves, cracking out cards carries some risk, but finding a good "raw" card is likely the best route to go..KSA graded cards are definitely not worth "cracking out of their holders"..Do so at your own peril.
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Old 03-12-2017, 12:22 PM
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Interesting.
Thank you for posting this.
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I think the fact that none of the KSA cards came back as altered is something of a good sign though. I certainly wouldn't trust that you could duplicate that with a similar number of GAI graded cards.
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I think the fact that none of the KSA cards came back as altered is something of a good sign though. I certainly wouldn't trust that you could duplicate that with a similar number of GAI graded cards.


Agreed, I bought a ksa gretzky 8.5 rc in a whim, hoping it was not trimmed.


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I think the fact that none of the KSA cards came back as altered is something of a good sign though. I certainly wouldn't trust that you could duplicate that with a similar number of GAI graded cards.
I cracked and crossed 20 GAI cards. All received numerical grades.
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Grading by any company is a crapshoot at best ....

I bought 13 raw and trimmed cards at a National one time and 12 came back with numerical grades. It happens.

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Grading by any company is a crapshoot at best ....

I bought 13 raw and trimmed cards at a National one time and 12 came back with numerical grades. It happens.
This only happens to other people...
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The results speak for themselves, cracking out cards carries some risk, but finding a good "raw" card is likely the best route to go..KSA graded cards are definitely not worth "cracking out of their holders"..Do so at your own peril.
My experience with Beckett is the same - Crack at your own peril. Usually 1 full grade less as evidenced by 3 of your 4 subs.
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:14 AM
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I am not much of a fan of the card grading system. I think that some times the grading can be quite arbitrary. For example......years ago I acquired this Jennings card
which had been graded SGC A. It "bugged" me that SGC had not given it a numerical grade, so recently I cracked it open and submitted it back to SGC. And this time,
SGC graded it an SGC 60.

Hey, I'm not complaining. I like the Ex grade (which, in my opinion this card should have been graded initially).







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Default I am OK with all the stuff here and it reminds me...

... Grading companies are providing an opinion. That is all. At one particular time somebody who has some training and experience looking at cards thought that the card was in a certain condition... I was just looking at a PSA 9 that I have that has a bent corner... ughh.... It happens... both ways.... It doesn't really bother me unless it is terribly obvious... but even that it understandable with the law of averages... Just my 2 cents... I agree that the 1911 AB should have gotten a numerical grade if the size measures up...

Unless high end computers were doing the work... we will always have these discrepancies....
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