New t206 web-site intro

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Posted By: runscott

Check it out - very creative and informative.
www.t206museum.com

It shows an image of the PSA Wagner "traveling through time" with different price-tags attached, until it finally ends up in a PSA holder with the $1 mill+ price tag. But it would be much nicer if they showed an image prior to "encapsulation preparation", and then the final card version in its PSA holder.

You can hide a lot with a scan.

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Posted By: David

I've got a copy of the photos, if that will help making the new design.

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Posted By: runscott

...but no one has been able to produce it. Kind of like a "brown SL'er" - it's good to hear you're our man!

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

I believe--correct me if I'm wrong--the Wagner PSA 8 was encapsulated before the Gretsky purchase, not after the Gidwitz, as the "story line" suggests.

Great graphics.

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Posted By: David

I was just joking. All I have is a copy of the art Scotty E. commisioned by a retired police sketch artist.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

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So who's right about the PSA 8 Wagner's time line--me or www.psamuseum.com?

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Posted By: Elliot

I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall the Wagner was encapsulated after the Gretzky-McNall purchase and before the Gidwitz purchase. However, I believe that Gidwitz had it re-encapsulated.

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Posted By: David

Copleland sold the card ungraded, and it was graded before the sale to Gretzky/McNall. From my understanding, it was essentially graded by PSA as process/condition of the sale to Gretzky/McNall. If this understanding is incorrect, higher ups are welcome to give correction.

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Posted By: David

Forget what I just wrote, as it was at least half wrong. From now on I will stick to jokes.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

It was graded when Gretzky bought it. I didn't know Gidwitz had it re-encapsulated.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

have a reliable printed sourse for this information? We could argue about uit all day.

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Posted By: RBCraik

I attended a sports auction at Superior Galleries in Beverly Hills around 1994. McNall was (is?) the owner of Superior Galleries and the Wagner card was on display. It was UNGRADED, situated on a marble pedestal, under glass/plexiglass. Two armed security guards were standing by but you could walk right up to it and view the card. Again, it was not slabbed.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

the PSA 8 Wagner bearing the PSA number "1"---it was the first card they graded. You KNOW that wasn't in '93 or '94.

Do any editors of SMR read this? Can you tell us for sure?

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Posted By: John Wojak

The card was slabbed by PSA sometime before it was purchased by Gidwitz at the 1996 Christie's auction (where it was consigned by Patricia Gibbs, the winner of the sweepstakes conducted by Wal-Mart, who bought the card from Gretzky). I have the 1996 Christie's catalog which shows a photo of the card. While the photo is closely cropped and doesn't show a PSA label, it definitely does show PSA's telltale "barriers" around the edges of the card (except at the corners, of course). However, the card was definitely reslabbed later, because I have seen photos of it in a slab bearing on the label the name of either Gidwitz or Brian Siegel, the current owner, I forget which one.

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Posted By: Marc S.

Mr. Seigel had the card slabbed for approximately 24 hours in a holder that bore his name. After that, he decided to get the card re-holdered to reflect the original McNall/Gretzky moniker in which he purchased it. The card is labelled as such to this day.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

1) The pictured card is in a PSA holder marked


T206
Honus Wagner NM-MT 8
McNall/ Gretzky
00000001

On the facing page is a list, in reverse order of prices realized, of the 26 highest recorded sales of significant baseball cards at public auction. The first two read:

1) T206 Wagner* PSA 8 NM-MT 1996 $640,600
2) T206 Wagner* PSA 8 NM-MT 1991 $451,000

It is explained that the asterisks indicate that these two entries represent the same card, offered at different times, "the famous Gretzky T206 Wagner,
which is offered in this auction." Among the following cards, 7 are listed with no grade; the rest with grades.

"NOTE: When this T2306 Wagner was first offered at public auction in 1991 by Southeby's as the centerpiece of the famous Jim Copeland Baseball Card collection iot sold for $451,000...,.in presenting this information (as well aw the additiobnal historical pricing information in the table above, Robert Edward Auctions is not suggesting to potential bidders that the Wagner card should be valued at a simiplar (or higher of lower) multiple of its 1991 value."

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Posted By: RBCraik

Just sharing with the board what I saw and experienced. The card was owned By McNall & Gretzky at the time. It was on display in a gallery owned by Mcnall, and was not slabbed. Now then, to really muddy the waters, could it have been an "old reprint" on display?

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Posted By: runscott

surely something so rare and valuable would have been worth photographing, even before it was placed in that beautiful PSA holder.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

before trimming??

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Posted By: Marc S.

not that I imagine there would be a large chance of obtaining such a picture/scan it anytime in the near future....

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Posted By: runscott

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

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Posted By: Marc S.

EOM