T213-T217 Thinly Traded Tobacco Card Series

[Leon]

The 5000+ Trout card thread got me to thinking of the cards we rarely see come up for sale but don't always carry high price tags (relatively speaking). I remember it took me quite a few years to get my first T216 VE. I think the series of Tobacco cards between 213-217 are great to collect. But even this McGraw is only valued at a Post War medium grade Topps HOF card. Sometimes it doesn't make sense to me...this is the same price

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-Topps-1...p2047675.l2557

As this-

[Bliggity]

Shhhh... don't tell anyone!

[packs]

I think its just the design. That McGraw card isn't very inspiring to me. Though there are some real blazers in that set. I'd kill for the Speaker.

[Rich Falvo]

I've been looking into the T213s a little bit lately. I didn't realize how scarce the Type 1s are. There is a nice Cobb for $20K on eBay now, though.

[rocketman]

I've been eyeing that red Cobb as well. Beautiful card, but $20k...?

[darwinbulldog]

Here's my T206 T213-1.

[ullmandds]

These sets are right in my wheelhouse...most of which play into my miller run.

I like to play runs with these issues...many are on par or tougher than the rarest of t206 backs.

I've always loved these sets and I collect them all. There are many intricacies within these sets and minor varainces that t206 collectors would love!

I have never owned a t217 though. They have nothing in common with the 3 other issues.

[tedzan]

Here's the T206 super-prints with T213-1 backs. Nothing cheap about these guys. I wish these cards were more reasonably priced, then I'd try
for a complete set. Currently, I only have 12 of these rare dudes.

Incidentally, I didn't pay "20K" for my Cobb (it was significantly less then that).

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TED Z
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[tedzan]

T216's are the exception......you can get a Tobacco card with a Wagner on it.









TED Z
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[Jobu]

Great cards Ted and everyone else. I am very slowly trying to get a HOFer from all of these sets and subsets (minus T217 -- I also know Murray isn't in the HOF - future upgrade planned there).

[obcmac]

Thrilled to get my first VE recently as well.

[buymycards]

I love the New Orleans T-cards. I am trying to put together a type set, but I still have some tough cards that I need. T215-2, Pirates, T214, T216 VE, T213-3 overprint.

I scanned the backs of my 4 T216's. Still need the T216 VE.

Maybe I can find one at the National this year.

The New Orleans type set is: ( I think this is complete)

T211
T213-1
T213-2
T213-3
T213-3 Overprint
T214
T215-1
T215-2
T215 Pirate
T216 Kotton - 3 different backs
T216 Mino
T216 VE

[DixieBaseball]

I concur Leon...

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by DixieBaseball

I concur Leon...

I love pictures like that! So cool.

[t213]

Here are some T217s

[Stonepony]

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Type 3

[ullmandds]

Beautiful Matty, Dave!

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Guys, thanks for informative threads like this. As a collector who has always been postwar but is easing into prewar but not wanting to collect T206, you all do a great job of highlighting and showcasing other really good ways to collect prewar. I am already turned on to T212s, but I am really liking the looks of the cards in this thread, too. Thanks for the free education!

Robert

[Sean]

Originally Posted by buymycards

I love the New Orleans T-cards. I am trying to put together a type set, but I still have some tough cards that I need. T215-2, Pirates, T214, T216 VE, T213-3 overprint.

I scanned the backs of my 4 T216's. Still need the T216 VE.

Maybe I can find one at the National this year.

The New Orleans type set is: ( I think this is complete)

T211
T213-1
T213-2
T213-3
T213-3 Overprint
T214
T215-1
T215-2
T215 Pirate
T216 Kotton - 3 different backs
T216 Mino
T216 VE

Hi Rick, good luck with your type set. But the T215 Pirate set has no connection to New Orleans. They were distributed by an English tobacco company in Manilla to American sailors. I don't know why Jefferson Burdick listed them with the same designation as the Red Cross brand.

But if you still want a Pirate, go for it. There's a nice one in REA right now.

[buymycards]

Hi Sean, you just made my quest much easier. I always wondered about the Pirate cards myself.

Thanks, Rick

[edjs]

Here's my T217s.

[edjs]

My T216s.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by edjs

My T216s.

nice types...love the blank back crawford! now you need a run!!!!

[edjs]

My T214. Sorry, I don't have scans of my T215 or T213 type 1s. I'll have to dif those out and scan them one day.

[edjs]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

nice types...love the blank back crawford! now you need a run!!!!

Oh yeah, just what I need! Along with a dentist salary! Just kidding. I will never compete with that big glove run of yours, though I envy it. I started too late.

[Jobu]

I agree with Sean on the T215 Pirate, no need to look for that one. However, as Net54 taketh away, it also giveth. I am working on the same New Orleans type set (though not restricting myself to T cards) and can make your search a little more difficult buy adding a few:

T207 Anonymous Factory 3 and Red Cross

T210-8 - I don't know for sure these were distributed in NOLA, but this series features the New Orleans team and I feel like it is safe to assume these were distributed in New Orleans. Perhaps someone can provide an argument for/against this?

T206 - There are ads for T206 Hindu in Louisiana newspapers (I think it was New Orleans) that featured T206 ... and the ad did not feature SLers, just regular cards. It is also quite possible that the OM SLers were distributed in NOLA as well.

Originally Posted by Sean

Hi Rick, good luck with your type set. But the T215 Pirate set has no connection to New Orleans. They were distributed by an English tobacco company in Manilla to American sailors. I don't know why Jefferson Burdick listed them with the same designation as the Red Cross brand.

But if you still want a Pirate, go for it. There's a nice one in REA right now.

[Jobu]

Great PC Jerame! I love the oysters sign too. Is there anything on the back?

Also, the mark on the back of the Breitenstein is right where a lot of T213-1s are missing paper - the same spot at which Ted Z thinks they were glued to the inside of the cartons. Kinda cool to see one that might actually have some glue residue left there.

Originally Posted by DixieBaseball

I concur Leon...

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by edjs

Oh yeah, just what I need! Along with a dentist salary! Just kidding. I will never compete with that big glove run of yours, though I envy it. I started too late.

No no... I meant just a t216 run!!

[buymycards]

Hi Bryan, thanks for the info. I have a T207 Anonymous, but I forgot to include it. I don't have the others, but I will have to add them to my list.

I am also collecting non-T Louisiana issues, 1916 and 1917 Weil Baking, 1920 and 1921 Holsum Bread, and I am still regretting not buying a Mothers Bread card from Ed at the Chicago National 2 years ago.

Rick

[Jobu]

In addition to the non-T cards you mention you can add Tango Eggs and the few Cafe du Monde cards that still exist. All of this talk is making me antsy to add another of these cards!

Originally Posted by buymycards

Hi Bryan, thanks for the info. I have a T207 Anonymous, but I forgot to include it. I don't have the others, but I will have to add them to my list.

I am also collecting non-T Louisiana issues, 1916 and 1917 Weil Baking, 1920 and 1921 Holsum Bread, and I am still regretting not buying a Mothers Bread card from Ed at the Chicago National 2 years ago.

Rick

[buymycards]

You are going to cost me a lot of money by adding those other cards.

I always wondered if the T215's should be included in the New Orleans type set. They were printed in New Jersey.

Also, if we want to expand the list to a little more than just baseball, we can add these.

[ullmandds]

a few controversial t216 blank backs.

[ullmandds]

T216 McGraw

[ValKehl]

To keep this thread alive, here's a different variation of the T216 Kotton - McGraw:

[BruceinGa]

Awesome cards, thanks for sharing!

[GasHouseGang]

My one and only . . .

[ValKehl]

Love this thread - great cards everyone! Anyone know where I can find a T216 Kotton Tobacco card with this Jennings pose?

[ValKehl]

Rick, FYI in case you are not aware, the S74 Silks of baseball players were also issued by Red Sun.

[brass_rat]

Rick -- Thanks for posting the interesting non-sports examples.
Val -- Very nice Jennings VE! Also, thanks for posting the Red Sun S74.
David -- If you're going to have one Coupon, that's a nice example to have! Love the clean back and bold green front.

Here's one of my favorites.

Cheers,
Steve

[gabrinus]

That's nice Steve..isn't that the only one known??..here's a couple of Monos I used to have.....Jerry

[Jobu]

Steve - I love that VE Cobb!!

Val, thanks for posting the S74. It hadn't occurred to me that I need to add one of those to the Louisiana list as well.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by brass_rat

rick -- thanks for posting the interesting non-sports examples.
Val -- very nice jennings ve! Also, thanks for posting the red sun s74.
David -- if you're going to have one coupon, that's a nice example to have! Love the clean back and bold green front.

Here's one of my favorites.

Cheers,
steve

bam!

[buymycards]

Hi Val, I have watching for one to come up for a reasonable price on eBay, the few that I have seen are pretty pricey.

Thanks, Rick

[trobba]

some pics:

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by trobba

some pics:

Beautiful cards!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by trobba

some pics:

beautiful cards! Any overprints on the backs?

[tedzan]

1910 >> 1919

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TED Z
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[Rhotchkiss]

Rob, you know I fawn over the type 3 Evers. Thanks for rubbing it in!! Seriously, awesome cards.

[trobba]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

beautiful cards! Any overprints on the backs?

Not on those...I will post some others with the overprint.

[brass_rat]

Thanks, guys! Yes, Jerry -- the Cobb is the only one known as far as I know!

Rob, beautiful Evers and Chance.
Ted, very nice run!

Cheers,
Steve