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[tbob]

Here's a quizzer for you: you see a card on ebay which you have been searching for years to complete a pre-war set. There are no bids on the card yet and you contact the seller and ask him if he would be willing to sell the card outright. Ebay permits this. He emails you that he would and gives you a stiff price if you want to buy it. You realize it is probably close to "book" (the card is raw by the way) but you have tired of trying to find it. You agree and buy the card which appears vg+ to vgex after the seller ups the price 60% from his original figure he gave you. You still agree. The card is received and sent to SGC which grades it as "authentic." You realize the card is not likely to be available for another 3 years or so.
Ok.

[HRBAKER]

This Net54er would have taken a hike after he raised his original price by 60%.

[Leon]

I voted to request a return and wait. I have been waiting since I started collecting for a few types, so waiting a few years should be a cake walk. That being said, I know I would probably want the card too, Bob, so I am right there with you, but alas, I think I would wait. Or of course you could request a partial refund, while at the same time giving the seller the opportunity to suggest a remedy too?

oh yeah, I don't like the 60% increase either..

[canjond]

Ups the price after and agreed upon price? Return it.

[brass_rat]

I voted to request a return. I'm also confused as to how he upped the price by 60%...that sounds irritating, to say the least.

Steve

[chaddurbin]

seems like u really want the card still. agree upon a new price for the A card or request a refund since the card was not as advertised.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

or request a refund since the card was not as advertised.

We don't know how the card was advertised. The OP didn't mention it.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

We don't know how the card was advertised. The OP didn't mention it.

Originally Posted by tbob

You agree and buy the card which appears vg+ to vgex after the seller ups the price 60% from his original figure he gave you. You still agree. The card is received and sent to SGC which grades it as "authentic." You realize the card is not likely to be available for another 3 years or so.
Ok.

if tbob knowingly bought a recolored card for 160% this thread would not happen

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

This Net54er would have taken a hike after he raised his original price by 60%.

+1

I chose to request a return, if one finally came around there will be another. Please keep us updated on the final outcome, I'd love to find out how the seller handled this situation (unless you choose to keep it, of course).

Sincerely, Clayton

[kkkkandp]

I also voted to request a return, but I'm guessing that if we're dealing with someone who would jack the price up by any amount let alone 60% after a deal was struck then the return request would likely have the chances of a snowball in Hell.

[ullmandds]

If it's the "last" card in the set...I'd chalk it up to lesson learned...and move on. You seem to have other Grade A cards in your collection...so what's 1 more?

[steve B]

I'd just let it go.

But then, I wouldn't be asking to buy it off Ebay anyway so I wouldn't be in that sort of spot. Karma?

Steve B

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

This Net54er would have taken a hike after he raised his original price by 60%.

+1

This Net54'er would have run away!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

if tbob knowingly bought a recolored card for 160% this thread would not happen

I'm quite sure he wouldn't have knowingly bought a recolored card. You statement was "...request a refund since the card was not as advertised." You are ASSuming the card was advertised in a given condition.

For all we know, the seller may have described it "looks authentic, but I can't guarantee it will grade numerically."

Since the card was originally listed on eBay, it shouldn't be too hard to link the original listing.

Edited to add: I chose the last option. The first and last option are really the same, only worded differently. Looks like the majority of us would just eat it and move on.

[alanu]

I guess I would have to know if the 60% was $6 or $600 to opine on that issue.

If you aren't happy with the card request a return, if you are still satisfied with the card for your collection, request a partial refund, knowing that you might have to return the card or keep it at the higher price.

[vintagecpa]

I'd keep it. When the same card becomes available in another 3-5 years, you can always upgrade and sell the authentic card for portion of what you paid. Consider it cardboard rent.

[tbob]

Mike that's probably what I am going to do. To clarify things, sorry I was typing originally in stream of conciousness style, he said he would sell the card for $500. I agreed. He then sent an email that he was sorry, he didn't realize the card was so rare and said he would have to get $800 for it. I agreed again.
Obviously I didn't know the card was recolored. The dark border was "touched up," according to SGC. When I paid for the item I asked that he guarantee the card was authentic since there are so many counterfeits in this set (T200 Fatima) floating around. He did. The card IS authentic. I am glad I got the card as my set is now complete. I don't mean to sound like I am bitching, I merely wondered what my fellow collectors would do in this situation. There was a front and back scan provided.
I tried to find the original listing but apparently they disappear when an item is cancelled for sale. Again, there were no bids on the item when the agreement was struck if that means anything to anyone.
I am not thrilled about seeing cards I am interested in and bidding on "disappear" off ebay but when you wait several years (and a couple of Nationals) and can't find one, I think many of you would have jumped at the chance too. In Chicago I ran in to 3 other collectors hunting the card. Aggravating. Bottom line, I am ok with an authentic card for the set (it looks like an SGC 50 without the recoloration of the borders) so I will keep it.

[Leon]

Hey Bob
I have rarely seen such an evenly divided debate as this one. I guess you should have stated that you wanted it to grade numerically and that it wasn't altered. Most of us have made that mistake before. It's a shame though.....anyway, you have the card and that sounds like the most important thing to you at this time. take care and thanks for the nice, friendly discussion/debate....

[tbob]

Having decided to keep the card, I sent an email to the seller today asking for a partial refund (25%). He politely sent an email pointing out he didn't know the card's borders were recolored and doesn't like or believe in the grading companies in general. He also mentioned that the card was G/VG in its description (I missed that somehow) and so it was a good deal based on its SMR. He also pointed out that had it been graded SGC 50, I wouldn't have sent him the difference in value from G/VG to VGEX. Oh well, I tried.....
Thanks everyone for responding!

[Leon]

Well Bob....I know you didn't ask, but I think your seller is more full of crap than a Thanksgiving Turkey. When anyone sells something, in my opinion, there is an implied warranty that it is not altered in any way unless the seller states it in the description.

btw, who cares if he knew or not.....and a gd/vg card is not an altered card....sheesh...

[chaddurbin]

what's the seller id so i can tell him to put me on his blocked bidder list...

also funny a guy who doesn't like TPG would be quoting SMRs.

[Bridwell]

The guy may have known the card was altered. Don't just let this go. I agree with asking for some consideration, either to return the card or to get the 25% refund. Very reasonable approach.

I've found sellers on ebay to be reasonable if the card is not as described. If you paid by paypal you could file a dispute and get your money back if the guy doesn't want to be reasonable.

I wouldn't want to look at a card in my collection and not enjoy it...