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I always thought A was authentic, but altered. But they would slab it as such. Last edited by xplainer; 01-20-2016 at 06:09 PM. |
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Wanted to add my two cents in on the TPG companies.
I tried Beckett many years ago and they screwed me. I knew the cards were better than the grades they got. We are talking 85 McGwire, 82 Ripkens and the like. I've learned that Beckett is for the shiny, glossy crap produced today, of guys that most likely, will never make the MLB. Bust a box, sleeve it and send it in. You want a 9.5 and a 9.5 / 10 on autos. Then, sell. Vintage, no way. Hey, they even produce the "price guide" most modern collectors use. Do you see a problem there? I did a study on a 1968 Mickey Mantle. I compared the "sold'" listing on ebay between October and now - for the same grade between SGC and PSA. Although, there were around three times more PSA cards sold, the average sale price was only $12 more in favor of the PSA. When you consider the submission cost, and the crazy turn-around time PSA has, twelve bucks is not a big deal to me. I've let my PSA subscription run out, and I'm SGC all the way now. But, to each his own. But Beckett's "conflict of interest" issues rule me out there. PSA - Modern cards, SGC - Vintage. Off the soap box. Next? Last edited by xplainer; 01-20-2016 at 06:36 PM. |
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My graded cards are all SGC slabs. I personally do not like the appearence of PSA graded cards as they look cheap in appearance. With that said, SGC is not perfect either as I have had some cards that were Koester Bread and easily provable that they were koester Bread and SGC labeled one as W575-1 and would not even slab the other 3 cards as authentic as the cards were on thicker stock than regular cards. I wasn't real happy about this but SGC did send me vouchers for the fees paid where no card was slabbed. I may call and ask if they will slab the Koester breads as 1920's UNC authentic as the reason they are wanting to be slabbed is for display, not resale.
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I think Beckett is fine, and they arguably have the most bullet-proof holder of the three major TPG's. Due to their insert, they holder many very fragile cards that PSA and SGC cannot holder. They're usually just as reliable as PSA or SGC, but obviously, they don't have the market share that those two TPG's have in prewar, so their prewar cards often sell for less
Let's see those cards before you completely count them out. Maybe there is a legitimate reason why Beckett didn't holder those cards. I know there was one time that I sent a very fragile E95 Honus Wagner to SGC to holder. However, SGC would not holder it because they said it was a "zombie" card. That is, parts of the card were glued back to the original card. They said that if I took those "zombie" parts off, they would review it again, and in the end, the card was holdered. It may be a similar situation here, where you could go back to Beckett again to holder the card. Also, if like PSA and SGC, they would not charge you (or give you a credit) if they did not holder the card due to fragility (or the spec was not available). Last edited by glchen; 01-20-2016 at 07:30 PM. |
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Funny you mention the conflict of interest with the price guides. One could argue that PSA has the same conflict potential with their SMR pricing (which I presume many vintage collectors have used as a reference.) Yet, SMR prices are almost always lower than actual market prices (just look at SMR Cracker Jack prices). Seems like they are almost trying to avoid a conflict, or they are simply out of touch with actual market transactions (which seems hard to believe). Head scratcher.
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Here's another card that neither PSA nor SGC would encapsulate due to the damaged paper stock. However, Beckett had no problems. Note that SGC stated the card might blow up if encapsulated.
All in all, the point is Beckett is usually able to encapsulate the most cards regardless of condition. SGC is next most capable, and PSA is last in that they reject the most cards due to fragility concerns. |
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HOF big guys are the exceptions to the market going over SMR...green cobb probably one of the hottest cards right now..maybe next you will bring up the 1951 Bowman Mays goes for over SMR or maybe a T206 big guy like Cy Young......I know when I was selling the two green cobbs on net54 in 2015.....I was quoted SMR and how people would be doing me a great favor to pay 100 over SMR.......most will draw the conclusion that almost every card sells for less than SMR....save the hottest cards in the hobby....the hottest cards in the hobby make up less than 1% of all cards....pointing out the waterside properties are the exceptions..and exactly my point... The T202 card example aren't the exception in terms of SMR versus market price they are the rule...... ..... seems like it is YOU that has a comment for everything. ....i simply just pointing out a comment that I believed to be wrong.......do I now got to get ready for the why PSA really doesn't sell for more than SGC argument again? I think everyone knows my position on that. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 01-20-2016 at 10:24 PM. |
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The "service unavailable" note is most likely due to the fact you didn't check the box on the first page of the submission form granting them the ability to slab the card(s) as authentic only if they don't deserve a numerical grade. Although it might seem leaving a note within the package would be enough, the form presented with the submission is the defacto "contact" of the service they are providing. Notes can be misplaced or lost in the chain of the service so in the eyes of Beckett, if you didn't check the box indicating authentic grades are desired if necessary no service can be provided for particular items.
The silver lining is that one time I received a "service unavailable" return from Beckett (although for another reason) my credit card was not charged for the particular card. Whether or not the will do the same (or provide vouchers) for you I can't say for certain. Good luck and happy collecting.
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Yes, that's a common misconception. They will slab almost anything, but the cards I asked about from that AH were declared 'altered' and 'rebacked' so they were not able to be slabbed - even by requesting them as graded Authentic. Altered in that case, as I understood it, meant that it was so significantly altered that they refused. They will slab trimmed cards and cards in miserable shape, but certain types of restorations will not be slabbed.
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