T206 "printer's mark" and sheet layouts

[Pat R]

Thanks John, Yes it's a new addition.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Thanks John, Yes it's a new addition.

I have the opposite corner, same back, also a Cleveland player

[Pat R]

Here's a Chase (Pink Portrait) in the same corner.

[z28jd]

I have a Chase Pink with the crop in the top right corner. Can't find a scan of it, but if I do, I'll send it to you

[Pat R]

Thanks John, That would be great if you can find it.

[Jantz]

Chase pink portrait

[z28jd]

Just found the auction I bought the Chase from, the picture is blurry because the original scan had 15 or so cards. If the card was cut right, the crop wouldn't be there, meaning the card is huge

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Here's a Chase (Pink Portrait) in the same corner.

Comparing that to the Young is interesting. If we figure the marks were only at the corners the two being different means two or more P150 back plates. Or if they were at the corners and someplace in the middle - that would be a clue to the cutting process. (Blocks first instead of strips. )

Steve B

[Luke]

The more we know, the less we know it seems. Still, this is really interesting stuff.

[edjs]

Just picked this up, does it help any?

[Runscott]

ink spray?

This doesn't have anything to do with sheet location (I don't think), but I thought the ink spray was interesting:

[z28jd]

Here's another one, can't remember who it is off-hand. Different series.

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[Pat R]

Molesworth

[Jantz]

Nice Pat!

I was wondering when someone would find a SLer.

The wait is over!

[z28jd]

Very nice Pat!

[Pat R]

Thanks Jantz and John.

[t206hound]

Just picked up this Randall Sovereign 350... also including a linked image to a previously reported Randall Piedmont 350.

[mrvster]

ten or more years ago I thought I was the only one who cared about crop marks....

feels so good knowing others now really look at them....I somehow don't feel as crazylol

GREAT WORK!

[Pat R]

Nice Erick, the corner crops are the best.

Johnny, the crops along with the majority of what you collect are great information on the sheet layouts I would love to see your collection at the National in NJ.

[mrvster]

can't wait to see everyone in AC

Thanks so much.....the circus will be coming to town with me, the biggest clown

[Pat R]

Can't wait either Johnny seeing "the circus" will be the highlight of the
show for me.

[mrvster]

it will be an honor to meet a lot of members, such as yourself.....

Your a great contributor to this board! collectors like you keep me going

[z28jd]

My cousin's husband has been talking to me about the AC National since last September, glad to see we aren't the only ones planning well ahead of time. I'm definitely looking forward to going with him. He got cancer a couple years ago and just found out it came back, so he's going through the whole process again.

I might go along for the ride with Johnny V too since I plan on going multiple days. I'd rather meet him there though, because the first hour or so, he bounces around like a kid full of sugar in a candy store. It's a little embarrassing, but after he tuckers himself out, he's okay.

[mrvster]

SOUNDS GREAT!

my bags are already packed!

I have to hunt some freaks down

[Pat R]

A couple more crops Stovall (Batting) Old Mill and Evers (Cubs) Piedmont 150.

[Jantz]

Nice Pat

Here is another Evers that was listed on Ebay a few months back.

Jantz

[Jobu]

Another front crop, see the bottom "Lefty."

[t206hound]

Here are two that ended recently on ebay (not mine):

[Jantz]

The Chance is interesting Er!ck because a crop line has also appeared on a Chance (yellow) before, but it had a Sweet Caporal 350-460 f#25 back.

Thanks everyone for posting these recent finds.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by Jantz

The Chance is interesting Er!ck because a crop line has also appeared on a Chance (yellow) before, but it had a Sweet Caporal 350-460 f#25 back.

Thanks everyone for posting these recent finds.

My guess is that the sheet layouts (of cards that are common) between the sweet cap factory designations where shared. For example, the Ames Portrait in SC350 has been found with both the 25 and 30 "huge factory number at back bottom" suggesting that they were at the same sheet location with both factory designations:

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by t206hound

My guess is that the sheet layouts (of cards that are common) between the sweet cap factory designations where shared. For example, the Ames Portrait in SC350 has been found with both the 25 and 30 "huge factory number at back bottom" suggesting that they were at the same sheet location with both factory designations:

I agree Er!ck.

As with the other Chance, the crop line is in the same corner as the Chance you posted.

[Jobu]

This one isn't mine but I came across it when doing some research. Are there any other Red Hindu cards with crops known?

[Luke]

Just want to post these here for posterity:

[Luke]

Couple more crop marks to add to the puzzle:

[Leon]

Love all of the crop marks on the cards!!

[KingFisk]

I got a Johnny Evers (blue sky) in the mail today and noticed what I think is a crop mark on the back in the upper left corner. Dumb question and possibly answered elsewhere but I found another thread indicating these marks should have been erased. What was process for erasure? I ask because the mark on my card looks to be the same red as the Sweet Cap red printing. Would have just been a matter of using an eraser to remove that section of ink? Would that otherwise affect the card's surface (I.e., flake off some of the card stock)?

[steve B]

Depending on the exact purpose, the marks could have been erased from the plate/stone. Since the stone is limestone, and the parts that are intended to print are on the stone with an oily substance, erasing is pretty easy. The press operator just "erases" it with a limestone stick.

Most of these marks were probably intended to be left on. It's likely they were intended as marks showing where the edges of the sheet should be trimmed off. Of course, in practice the sheets were cut face up, so the marks were useless.

Ones like on the Elberfeld above may have been intended to be erased. They're more like layout marks than indicators where to cut.
The ones that were commonly erased were the layout marks that were at the center of the design edges on the front that were there to make sure each color was laid out properly aligned.

Steve B

[Pat R]

Here's another Demmitt with a large crop mark and the same flaw in the
top of the frame line as the one in post #12.
Demmitt Crop.jpg

[KingFisk]

Originally Posted by steve B

Depending on the exact purpose, the marks could have been erased from the plate/stone. Since the stone is limestone, and the parts that are intended to print are on the stone with an oily substance, erasing is pretty easy. The press operator just "erases" it with a limestone stick.

Most of these marks were probably intended to be left on. It's likely they were intended as marks showing where the edges of the sheet should be trimmed off. Of course, in practice the sheets were cut face up, so the marks were useless.

Ones like on the Elberfeld above may have been intended to be erased. They're more like layout marks than indicators where to cut.
The ones that were commonly erased were the layout marks that were at the center of the design edges on the front that were there to make sure each color was laid out properly aligned.

Steve B

I totally missed this response to my question last month. Thank you for the info!