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Old 11-29-2006, 01:11 PM
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Posted By: Ubiqty

I have tended to collect the sets I collect in the same grade. For example, I recently completed a set of 1948-49 Leaf all graded PSA 5. Does that mean I'm only collecting the number? Maybe, but my sets are consistent and authentic and I'm happy with them. I also thoroughly enjoy my collecting hobby. I guess I'm off to build the Old Judge set in SGC 40.
Thank you everyone for your input.
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Old 11-29-2006, 01:12 PM
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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Jim is "King Slabhead"




Jim: Do you still see Luke B.? I may run into him in Atlanta this weekend for the SEC Championship Game.

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Old 11-29-2006, 01:19 PM
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Posted By: JimCrandell

Hal,

I haven't seen him in awhile but I talk to him. I also will be in Atlanta, Raleigh/Durham and Charlotte next week so I should see him then.

He is married now but still up for that casino/golf trip if you are. Have those casinos on the Gulf Coast reopened?

Jim

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Old 11-29-2006, 01:22 PM
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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Yes, the Beau Rivage has opened in Biloxi... but I have no clue whether any of the golf courses in the area survived or not. I will check. There was a nice Nicklaus course in the National Forest about a half-hour from the casino last time I played there.

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Old 11-29-2006, 01:23 PM
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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Here is the course:

http://www.harrahs.com/golf/GrandBear/

Looks like it is still open and operating!

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Old 11-29-2006, 01:28 PM
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Posted By: JimCrandell

I think we should plan something.

I will mention it to Luke.

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Old 11-29-2006, 01:45 PM
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Posted By: JimB

My point was that we probably all collect cards, at least in part, because of their association with the game. What does 3rd party authentication have to do with why somebody collects cards?
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Posted By: JimCrandell

I remember 3-5 years ago or so there was a contest hosted by psa I think about who could grade the cards the best--identify altered cards and come up with the accurate grade.

My memory is a bit foggy on this but I recall it was won by Derek Grady and many so-called collecting exterts did quite poorly.

I would like to sewe how some of these experts would do in a contest like this.

I collect slabbed cards for a variety of reasons but foremost among them is the peace of mind that the cards are not altered(at least the vast majority).

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Old 11-29-2006, 02:32 PM
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Posted By: T206Collector

[What does 3rd party authentication have to do with why somebody collects cards?]

3d party authenticating is a primary reason I collect cards. If there was no 3d party authenticating, then I would not be buying T206 cards on ebay and my collection and collecting habits would be much much different.

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Posted By: JK

Frank,

Consider me a slabhead if you wish, but I assure you I collect the card and not the number. My apologies to those who are tired of seeing some of these scans:



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Posted By: Hal Lewis

WOW, Josh!

Did you spray paint your name on the back of the cards before getting them graded?

How else could they be so low?

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Old 11-30-2006, 07:34 AM
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Posted By: JK

Hal,

The grading companies just hate me

Actually, most of the grades are accurate. The e93 cobb, donovan, griffith, Johnson and clarkson all have small spots of paperloss on the reverse (most no larger than the head of a pencil eraser, though donovan has a tad more hence the lower grade); the green cobb rec'd the low grade due to the miscut - I personally think that it is undergraded and should be a 40; the clarkson really should be a 30 as well.

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Posted By: Morrie M

Jim said:

"Its obvious there is overwhelming support on the boards for what I am trying to accomplish."

With all due respect, anyone saying that they don't support you in this is going to end up painted with the hobby-equivalent brush of someone saying they don't support the troops. Clearly, you're doing this because you mean well and have what you perceive to be the best interests of the hobby at heart.

I know that I, at least, have not bothered to chime in because while I agree that the issue exists (card doctoring has been around as long as there has been a market for high-grade cards; we can't blame the grading companies for it, it's the existence of a market that values pristine cards at all that creates the situation), it does not materially affect my collection, my collecting habits, or my enjoyment of the hobby. I appreciate that it does affect many people's collections, and yes, you will get overwhelming support from them -- but in saying that there's "overwhelming support on the boards" (which I've seen you claim in at least one other thread) does little to make collectors like myself, who are on a tight budget and who don't bother with high-grade cards because we (a) can't really afford them and (b) didn't want to risk them having been altered to begin with, feel all that valued in the conversation.

Consider me not-supporting you. Not because I think these are the wrong questions to be asking, but because I don't believe you're going about it in the right way. In the Mile High thread, the rep doesn't want to respond in an open forum, and people immediately start pulling business from him. Any time it becomes, "Respond or else" (and I can't imagine how anyone who's read the threads could perceive the tacit message to be otherwise), then yes -- I start to have a problem with it.

That being said, I think that this discussion would serve as an excellent prelude to a hobby summit, say at next year's National, in which heads of all the major auction houses and reps from the major grading companies could sit down and talk about these issues. Heck, I would FULLY support that -- and hope that you would be available to serve as moderator for the discussion. But the current approach is something that they may see as coming out of the blue, at a potentially inconvenient time, and I can't find myself surprised that not everyone wants to come into an internet message board forum to answer questions when their answers will be dissected so quickly and thoroughly that they may not have any opportunity to explain miscommunications until it's too late and they've lost thousands of dollars in business.

Of course, I'm just a little guy who likes low-grade T206 and the occasional caramel card, who enjoys flipping through the half-completed 1959 Topps set he keeps in his closet and helping his wife search for 1940 Playballs for her set on eBay. I don't bid in the big auctions. But I am a collector, and I love my cards just like everyone else on the board -- and I figured I might as well be heard, too.

Morrie (M.ullins)

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