NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-15-2018, 06:33 PM
Aquarian Sports Cards Aquarian Sports Cards is offline
Scott Russell
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,297
Default E121-120 Observation

I love the 1920's E cards for all their weirdnesses. Like having a guy in E126 who played one game 7 years before the set came out. Here's my latest. Dave Danforth, an early relief specialist is listed as with the Browns on his E121-120. Problem is that set is ascribed to 1922 and Danforth was inactive from 1919 to 1922 which was his first year on the Browns. His picture is in a Brown's uniform. So I guess the set could be late 1922, just seems like an odd guy to make sure you get included on the part of American Caramel. Plus they came out with E122 AFTER E121-120 also in 1922? Makes it tougher to understand how Danforth got into E121-120!

EDIT: Sorry for the massive changes, realized I was looking at the wrong card, but the general point remains.
__________________
Check out https://www.thecollectorconnection.com Always looking for consignments 717.327.8915 We sell your less expensive pre-war cards individually instead of in bulk lots to make YOU the most money possible!

and Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecollectorconnectionauctions

Last edited by Aquarian Sports Cards; 02-15-2018 at 06:38 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-15-2018, 11:48 PM
brianp-beme's Avatar
brianp-beme brianp-beme is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 7,532
Default

Looks like Danforth was with the Browns starting mid-April of 1922. It does seem to make his appearance in the set pictured in a Browns uniform somewhat unlikely, but there he is. Perhaps a White Sox fan (his previous MLB club that he played for until 1919) was in charge of selecting, from a pool of available recent photos, the players included in the set, and he couldn't resist including his fave Dave.

Brian
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-16-2018, 12:29 AM
nolemmings's Avatar
nolemmings nolemmings is offline
Todd Schultz
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 3,720
Default not exactly

I believe he's shown in a 1917 White Sox uniform. He was acquired by St. Louis in late December, 1921, after finishing a 25-win season in the minors for Columbus. He was a very controversial pitcher, accused of throwing illegal pitches, and according to this SABR article, was acquired by the Browns for 11 players, five of whom were to be named later.
http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/9ea2e3b9
This likely explains why he would be included in the set, and does not disturb the 1922 timeline for its issuance.
__________________
If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other. - Ulysses S. Grant, military commander, 18th US President.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-16-2018, 04:49 AM
Aquarian Sports Cards Aquarian Sports Cards is offline
Scott Russell
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,297
Default

Certainly looks like an "s" on the uniform, not a "c"



Edit, never mind. Guessing it's the beginning of "Sox" still even listing him as a Brown makes it a tight timeline.

Edit #2. What the hell does his hat have on it?
__________________
Check out https://www.thecollectorconnection.com Always looking for consignments 717.327.8915 We sell your less expensive pre-war cards individually instead of in bulk lots to make YOU the most money possible!

and Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecollectorconnectionauctions

Last edited by Aquarian Sports Cards; 02-16-2018 at 04:51 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-16-2018, 04:56 AM
Aquarian Sports Cards Aquarian Sports Cards is offline
Scott Russell
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,297
Default

Edit #3. Man it's not a great match for either uniform but that "s" is wrong for the Sox in which the "o" and the "x" appear inside the bellies of the "s"
__________________
Check out https://www.thecollectorconnection.com Always looking for consignments 717.327.8915 We sell your less expensive pre-war cards individually instead of in bulk lots to make YOU the most money possible!

and Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecollectorconnectionauctions
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-16-2018, 09:47 AM
nolemmings's Avatar
nolemmings nolemmings is offline
Todd Schultz
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 3,720
Default

In 1917, several teams wore a logo/patch of the US Flag on the left sleeve to honor the troops in WWI. It is plainly seen on Danforth's card, and he pitched for the White Sox in 1917.

The uniform is a Home Sox uni from 1917--the "x" is obscured by his throwing arm but the "o" can be seen:


Why do you believe it's a tight timeline? He was on St. Louis by the first of the year. The cards could have been printed anytime in 1922 and include him.
__________________
If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other. - Ulysses S. Grant, military commander, 18th US President.

Last edited by nolemmings; 02-16-2018 at 09:47 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-16-2018, 10:36 AM
brianp-beme's Avatar
brianp-beme brianp-beme is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 7,532
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nolemmings View Post
I believe he's shown in a 1917 White Sox uniform. He was acquired by St. Louis in late December, 1921, after finishing a 25-win season in the minors for Columbus. He was a very controversial pitcher, accused of throwing illegal pitches, and according to this SABR article, was acquired by the Browns for 11 players, five of whom were to be named later.
http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/9ea2e3b9
This likely explains why he would be included in the set, and does not disturb the 1922 timeline for its issuance.
Now his inclusion makes much more sense, especially after the notoriety of the combined 25 win season and being traded for 11 players...it would be foolish not to include him. Being that his card has been proven to feature him in a White Sox uniform, it also makes sense that American Caramel would find an available photo from a previous year to use for the card.

Nice bit of research Todd.

Brian
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-24-2018, 07:18 AM
Leon's Avatar
Leon Leon is offline
Leon
peasant/forum owner
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: near Dallas
Posts: 34,196
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by brianp-beme View Post
Now his inclusion makes much more sense, especially after the notoriety of the combined 25 win season and being traded for 11 players...it would be foolish not to include him. Being that his card has been proven to feature him in a White Sox uniform, it also makes sense that American Caramel would find an available photo from a previous year to use for the card.

Nice bit of research Todd.

Brian
+1 Todd (hey Todd) is a great researcher of our cards.
__________________
Leon Luckey

Last edited by Leon; 02-24-2018 at 07:18 AM.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:33 AM.


ebay GSB