Battlefields, War Eagle, Candiman Et Al

[Yoda]

Perhaps someone can more informed can advise what is the state of play with the sons redeeming the sins of the father. Have they put up another auction, and if any winners of raw cards in the last one submitted their jewels to a TPG, what were the results? This saga is getting close to "All the Days of Our Lives."

[Peter_Spaeth]

Oy.

[buymycards]

Their auction is running now. http://candimanauctions.com/catalog.aspx

They don't have any items on eBay at the moment, at least not on this account.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/sipeemend1/...1&_ipg=&_from=

I am suprised that no one has commented on them for a while.

Rick

[frankbmd]

I checked yesterday. Their auction has roughly 750 lots, of which 675 have no bids. Lots of good deals remain. Items not shipped from Houston or Little Rock will be shipped from Dothan, I think. If you are being shut out at REA, take a look.

Disclaimer: I am not an employee of candiman auctions, nor am I a paid spokesperson. I have been to Dothan (once in 1961 I believe), but have not slept in a Holiday Inn there.

[mintacular]

Wouldn't it be sins of the mother in their case

[ALR-bishop]

It is obvious now that Frank is a shill for Candiman

[Jenx34]

I got banned for speaking my mind. There are two long threads on here. The general consensus is the are merely an extension of Battlefield. They always have an excuse for the questions they want to answer and avoid those they don't. Proceed with caution...

[joshuanip]

Check the top and right edges on this Ted Williams. As wavy as a lava lamp. No mention of it being altered but anyone can see it’s poorly trimmed.

The auction layout was weird. Not chronological or featured. Starts with a bunch of mid 70s graded cards in nice condition. Is that suppose to earn credibility? But then goes back to pre-war and older, which can only be the battlefield cards.

http://candimanauctions.com/mobile/L...ventoryid=2448

This place needs to be shut down.

[Wite3]

Just wait, the cards don't have bids yet...candiman has just not had time to place them yet, but they will be there... they will make sure of it...

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by Wite3

Just wait, the cards don't have bids yet...candiman has just not had time to place them yet, but they will be there... they will make sure of it...

[bobbyw8469]

I was the "underbidder" on the Hank Aaron authentic in the last auction. One week later, the exact same card was auctioned by Candiman on Ebay. That told me all I needed to know about Candiman auctions.

[ezez420]

Ok all. Here were my results from grading on main cards. I will never buy a raw card from Candiman again as they are clearly overstating every card.

1952 Jackie Robinson NM- had wrinkles. Water stain and looks like residue. They did refund so no issues and Daniel did show good communication and customer service

1952 Howe-stated to be Near mint. This card came back VG/Ex

1953 Howe- stated VG/Ex- this card came back Good+





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[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by ezez420

Ok all. Here were my results from grading on main cards. I will never buy a raw card from Candiman again as they are clearly overstating every card.

1952 Jackie Robinson NM- had wrinkles. Water stain and looks like residue. They did refund so no issues and Daniel did show good communication and customer service

1952 Howe-stated to be Near mint. This card came back VG/Ex

1953 Howe- stated VG/Ex- this card came back Good+





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These results are not surprising. You know what they say about leopards and spots.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ezez420

Ok all. Here were my results from grading on main cards. I will never buy a raw card from Candiman again as they are clearly overstating every card.

1952 Jackie Robinson NM- had wrinkles. Water stain and looks like residue. They did refund so no issues and Daniel did show good communication and customer service

1952 Howe-stated to be Near mint. This card came back VG/Ex

1953 Howe- stated VG/Ex- this card came back Good+





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As reported by Daniel, you had a very positive experience. Perhaps not.

EDIT He did not say "very," my bad. Full quote below.

[Batpig]

Originally Posted by ezez420

Ok all. Here were my results from grading on main cards. I will never buy a raw card from Candiman again as they are clearly overstating every card.

1952 Jackie Robinson NM- had wrinkles. Water stain and looks like residue. They did refund so no issues and Daniel did show good communication and customer service

1952 Howe-stated to be Near mint. This card came back VG/Ex

1953 Howe- stated VG/Ex- this card came back Good+


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Yikes. Those aren't even close.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Since I am in the auction business I try not to speak ill of others in the business. Here are the facts of my transaction:

I received my invoice but it included credit card processing. I emailed upon receipt and asked for an invoice that reflected a payment by check. I received that fairly quickly and mailed out a check immediately.

2 or 3 weeks went by and I got an email asking when I would be sending payment. I explained that I had mailed payment weeks earlier. I was told they would check and get back to me. That is the last I've heard. The check has never posted, but I obviously don't have the cards that I won either.

[ezez420]

Like I said I got a refund on Jackie but last I checked, this issues do not make a NM card. I think this card would grade a 3. I would not be as annoyed if the other two cards graded close to where they were advertised but clearly it is the same crap.




QUOTE=Batpig;1770295]Yikes. Those aren't even close.[/QUOTE]







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[bobbyw8469]

Yea...that's bad. They are taking advantage of collectors on multiple levels. All in the name of a dollar. And using religion as a shade to boot. tsk Tsk.

[ullmandds]

you can lead a horse to water...but you can't make him/her drink!

[Peter_Spaeth]

"1 card returned by Ed and I'm sure he will let you guys know that he had a positive experience with us and plans to bid in our future auctions."

[cardsnstuff]

Those corners on the Robinson don't even look NM; but I have been considering lasik, so what can I see.

[Batpig]

I don't want to imply the Jackie was photoshopped, but it was totally photoshopped. Compare the auction listing to the pics Ed posted. Here's the original listing for comparison.

http://candimanauctions.com/mobile/L...inventoryid=29

Clearly the same card with some digital lipstick.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I wonder where Jackie will resurface.

[ezez420]

I do not want to bash on here and leave that to others. That is not why I collect. I state the facts and try to inform people when I can. But I will say I took these pictures with my phone/ipad with normal lighting and showed many imperfections that would have led me not to bid and realized this was a VG to maybe VG/Ex card. A couple of people saw these pics from me but I wanted to wait to see if it was just one card or multiple cards. I got my answer this week.

Yes grading is subjective and people are not experts but we all know what wrinkles, creases, stains, residue, roller marks are, corner nicks are. These should be pointed out.

Battlefields business model of cracking stuff out and brightening the lighting to hide imperfections did not work and led to their demise.

I am bidding on some of the items in Candiman’s auction but no longer can give benefit on raw cards. There are positives of customer service from Daniel and the packing of product. So if he learns from his past mistakes I am sure he will have good auctions.
But seriously get rid of the raw cards.


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[Batpig]

Originally Posted by ezez420

I do not want to bash on here and leave that to others. That is not why I collect. I state the facts and try to inform people when I can. But I will say I took these pictures with my phone/ipad with normal lighting and showed many imperfections that would have led me not to bid and realized this was a VG to maybe VG/Ex card. A couple of people saw these pics from me but I wanted to wait to see if it was just one card or multiple cards. I got my answer this week.

Yes grading is subjective and people are not experts but we all know what wrinkles, creases, stains, residue, roller marks are, corner nicks are. These should be pointed out.

Battlefields business model of cracking stuff out and brightening the lighting to hide imperfections did not work and led to their demise.

I am bidding on some of the items in Candiman’s auction but no longer can give benefit on raw cards. There are positives of customer service from Daniel and the packing of product. So if he learns from his past mistakes I am sure he will have good auctions.
But seriously get rid of the raw cards.


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Ed, I don't understand why you would want to give business to a person who obviously photoshopped the card you purchased. That along with the pile of other evidence should be more than enough to make it clear they aren't worthy of anyone's business.

[Peter_Spaeth]

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Batpig

Ed, I don't understand why you would want to give business to a person who obviously photoshopped the card you purchased. That along with the pile of other evidence should be more than enough to make it clear they aren't worthy of anyone's business.

The shill bidding is what ticked me off.....you CAN NOT tell me they had that many dead beat bidders in their first auction. The Aaron rookie showed up one week later on Ebay. They didn't even give the winner bidder enough time to pay. That is because there was no winning bidder. I was bidding against the house.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Based on Ed's experience they probably did you a favor.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Surprisingly, they chose not to comment?

As they say, "The apple doesn't fall far from the Tree"

[joshuanip]

Originally Posted by ezez420

I do not want to bash on here and leave that to others. That is not why I collect. I state the facts and try to inform people when I can. But I will say I took these pictures with my phone/ipad with normal lighting and showed many imperfections that would have led me not to bid and realized this was a VG to maybe VG/Ex card. A couple of people saw these pics from me but I wanted to wait to see if it was just one card or multiple cards. I got my answer this week.

Yes grading is subjective and people are not experts but we all know what wrinkles, creases, stains, residue, roller marks are, corner nicks are. These should be pointed out.

Battlefields business model of cracking stuff out and brightening the lighting to hide imperfections did not work and led to their demise.

I am bidding on some of the items in Candiman’s auction but no longer can give benefit on raw cards. There are positives of customer service from Daniel and the packing of product. So if he learns from his past mistakes I am sure he will have good auctions.
But seriously get rid of the raw cards.


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Also, why would you want to bid on something where underbidders are reporting the cards they didnt win went immediately to ebay. This impacts graded as well.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

Surprisingly, they chose not to comment?

As they say, "The apple doesn't fall far from the Tree"

They are busy men.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

They are busy men.

No doubt they are! Just thinking of all the extra work it likely takes to photoshop, then write up all their lying, deceitful listings, makes me wonder how they do it.

[Dewey]

Originally Posted by irv

No doubt they are! Just thinking of all the extra work it likely takes to photoshop, then write up all their lying, deceitful listings, makes me wonder how they do it.

Then find the time to handle refunds and returns from people, who knowing the facts, still bid with them. Unbelievable.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by ezez420

I am bidding on some of the items in Candiman’s auction but no longer can give benefit on raw cards. There are positives of customer service from Daniel and the packing of product. So if he learns from his past mistakes I am sure he will have good auctions.
But seriously get rid of the raw cards.


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Wait, what?

Stuff trumps all.

[PiratesWS1979]

Originally Posted by irv

Surprisingly, they chose not to comment?

As they say, "The apple doesn't fall far from the Tree"

I think RockledgeSportsCards put an end to them commenting. Whoops, who would of thought a well respected seller like RockLedge would be reading this forum...and actually called them out.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

Surprisingly, they chose not to comment?

As they say, "The apple doesn't fall far from the Tree"

If it fell at all.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If it fell at all.

LOL....touche!

[Batpig]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If it fell at all.

Pretty sure it's been Daniel (or whoever it is) all along. Candiman is just the way they're dumping inventory after getting booted off of eBay, and the "give us a chance" routine was to keep as many people bidding as possible. Pretty sure it doesn't matter though as apparently they can screw some people and they'll still come back for more.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Batpig

Pretty sure it's been Daniel (or whoever it is) all along. Candiman is just the way they're dumping inventory after getting booted off of eBay, and the "give us a chance" routine was to keep as many people bidding as possible. Pretty sure it doesn't matter though as apparently they can screw some people and they'll still come back for more.

I agree with most of this. I do not think they are dumping inventory. I would bet most of this is new stuff they bought for this auction. I know some of the graded Mantles are recent eBay purchases.

[buymycards]

They now have 2561 items in their current auction. Approximately 900 of them have bids.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by buymycards

They now have 2561 items in their current auction. Approximately 900 of them have bids.

I can promise you I am not bidding.

[markf31]

Market research is the basis for any successful company, or criminal enterprise.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

[cardsnstuff]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I would bet most of this is new stuff they bought for this auction. I know some of the graded Mantles are recent eBay purchases.

How do you know this; can you post the ebay listings. Than we can seeing their buying id's too.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by buymycards

They now have 2561 items in their current auction. Approximately 900 of them have bids.

Are they adding lots as the auction goes along??

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I can promise you I am not bidding.

I'll take that pledge.

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Are they adding lots as the auction goes along??

Yes

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by buymycards

Yes

Lots of lots.

[Jenx34]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I can promise you I am not bidding.

Me too, then again, I am banned from bidding! Not sure if it is what I said in here or the Google Review I left for them. I consider it an honor.

[Jenx34]

Originally Posted by cardsnstuff

How do you know this; can you post the ebay listings. Than we can seeing their buying id's too.

Here is a '56 Topps Mantle PSA 8. - They paid $8k for it. Bought with the Lexus1584 ID. Current bid $5711.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-Topps-...p2047675.l2557

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I can promise you I am not bidding.

I take the pledge as well.