Just a Little Concerned About This.....

[Clutch-Hitter]

I was a little concerned when I received this in the mail...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/160783078432...84.m1439.l2649









Dear mroserestoration2012,
Yeah, got the reprint you sent in a screw down holder. Seems like I'm going to have to jump through several hoops to get my money back and I'm sure this comment will be ignored by you since you blatantly took my money: I want my 180.00 left and I'll return your 10 cent reprint.
- remembering_ruth

Dear remembering_ruth,
I purchased this card several years ago and it is not a reprint. I have a card shop owner out here on the west coast that has confirmed this card as authentic. I believe him. He has been in the card business for years. I have never taken anyone's money with the intent of defrauding them. Th card you see in the pic is the pic of an identical card that he had been selling. It is exactly like the Goudy card i sold. What is wrong with a screwed down holder. Collectibles can be very expensive. Please consider purchases before you make them. Once they are made they are final. Now who is to say that you would.t take another card , that is not authentic, and report it as the one I sent. I sent the real deal
- mroserestoration2012

Gosh guys, if this is a fake, y'all might want to watch out for this seller.

[johnmh71]

This guy should get the boot right off of ebay. It doesn't get any worse than that. Except for maybe not sending anything at all.

[D. Bergin]

Jeez, that's disgusting. Sorry you have to deal with this joker.

[batsballsbases]

I guess the card shop owner is right Its a real Dover Reprint! Says so right on the card! Wow hope you get your money back!

[barrysloate]

Why don't you point out to him that is says Dover reprint right on the card.

[smotan_02]

Wait, so did you bid on the PSA 4 on the link and that guy sent you a reprint in a screwdown?

Wow, thats brave.

[GrayGhost]

Man needs to be thrown off ebay. a Stolen /borrowed photo then he sends you a reprint, that says reprint on it,a nd he says its real? UNBELIEVABLE

[FrankWakefield]

4 feedback on that seller, why even bid? I think you should get every penny back, including shipping. But next time look at feedback of the seller before bidding.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Why don't you point out to him that is says Dover reprint right on the card.

I didn't even notice that until Al mentioned it. The perforated edges jumped out though.

Scotty, yes, I wanted the PSA 4, and I was also wondering if anybody here owns the actual card. I'm assuming this kid stole the image.

There was no return address on the package, just the name Rose. The seller's name on the Paypal transaction: "M Rose"

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The latest:

Dear mroserestoration2012,
My Ebay seller ID has 1679 positives and 0 negatives, 5/5 stars for all categories. I've been a PSA member for 13 years, and my '38 Goudey PSA graded set is more than 20% complete.
- remembering_ruth

Dear remembering_ruth,
I think your ebay rating is awesome. I sold you the right card is my point. The issue is not your ebay rating. It is the fact that I sent you exactly what I said i was going to send. I do not know why you are doing this. I have several other Goudy cards that I have sold. I have never had an issue like this before. I think you need to do your homework on the card I sent. You will find it authentic
- mroserestoration2012

The word "awesome" in his reply jumped out like the perforated edges did = young 'un. The up and comer didn't even know how to spell Goudey. He or she said I should do my homework, so I started this thread to meet his or her request.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

4 feedback on that seller, why even bid? I think you should get every penny back, including shipping. But next time look at feedback of the seller before bidding.

Roger that, thanks

[Wymers Auction]

Since you paid with paypal hurry up and file a claim before he shifts the money out of his account. This should be a really easy battle and no hoops at all. What a stinking joke. You might want to explain this thread in your complaint and cut and paste our responses to this silly mess. Didn't I see that this item has been relisted?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Man needs to be thrown off ebay. a Stolen /borrowed photo then he sends you a reprint, that says reprint on it,a nd he says its real? UNBELIEVABLE

Yup, stolen scan.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1938-Goudey-...42518042082979

[smotan_02]

Hmmm..."M Rose" on Paypal...seller list "Hemet, CA" on the ebay site. Uses "Awesome" in an email.....Elementary dear Watson.


http://www.mroserestoration.webs.com/

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Yup, stolen scan.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1938-Goudey-...42518042082979

Dang, thanks David.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by Wymers Auction

Since you paid with paypal hurry up and file a claim before he shifts the money out of his account. This should be a really easy battle and no hoops at all. What a stinking joke. You might want to explain this thread in your complaint and cut and paste our responses to this silly mess. Didn't I see that this item has been relisted?

I noticed it was re-listed briefly after I paid and before it arrived, figured it was accidental. Nope, he or she was going to get somebody else, probably has multiple user ID's.

I opened claim opened this morning and it will include this thread. To say this site is helpful is a gross understatement.

Thanks

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by smotan_02

Hmmm..."M Rose" on Paypal...seller list "Hemet, CA" on the ebay site. Uses "Awesome" in an email.....Elementary dear Watson.


http://www.mroserestoration.webs.com/

Holy cow! Donations?!!!! Thank you, great stuff

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by smotan_02

Hmmm..."M Rose" on Paypal...seller list "Hemet, CA" on the ebay site. Uses "Awesome" in an email.....Elementary dear Watson.


http://www.mroserestoration.webs.com/

I guess this comment in his initial reply indicated the obvious:

"...I have never taken anyone's money with the intent of defrauding them..."

[Tsaiko]

Under Creative services. Yea, creative as a thief.

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/crs/2874783872.html

What a sweet guy.

[MikeU]

The card you received looks more like a 6 than a 4. This could be a score

[Wymers Auction]

Behave MikeU

[Deertick]

Does anyone want to ask the folks from Storage Wars if he is authorised to use their implied endorsement? Sure looks like fan photos to me.

[Runscott]

This guy HAS to go down. His downfall was admitting to you that he had shipped you a different card and even mentioning the screw-down holder - you didn't get what you paid for, and for that reason alone, to ebay it doesn't even matter whether or not it's real.

Still, he needs more punishment than just having to return the money.

[Wymers Auction]

Man, that positive feedback error really stinks!!!
We should all buy a cheap product from him and give him a negative!!!
I'll jump back off my horse now!!!

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by Wymers Auction

Man, that positive feedback error really stinks!!!
We should all buy a cheap product from him and give him a negative!!!
I'll jump back off my horse now!!!

I considered doing that, but I really don't feel like dropping $20 on a Fleer Ultra Jordan.

[Wite3]

On his website...he asks for testimonials from satisfied customers...go ahead and submit one!

[Clutch-Hitter]

Scott, I agree and will be checking with an acquaintance tomorrow. The lack of accountability with counterfeits and other scams is ridiculous, and that's just our section of ebay.

Wymers, I was focused on the stars and the comment itself, couldn't believe I didn't hit negative.

I'll send Storage Wars a message, and I'll provide his business with a customer comment.

Thanks

[Clutch-Hitter]

It was a good idea to go with the sleeveless shirts and homemade tats for the web site photos. He's claiming that he's accepting donations and that the donations will go to families in need! What a con.

[Bilko G]

Absolutely sickening.


I feel sick to my stomach after reading this and i don't even know you.

Since this was a brand new Ebay account the money should be frozen until you give him a positive feedback, so that is one good thing ebay is doing.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Got a message from Paypal saying sleeveless commented with his side of the story and that the investigation is ongoing. Must be a toughie for them. No telling what sleezeful told them.

But I wanted to mention this: I used Bill Me Later for the 1% extra ebay bucks. If you use Bill Me Later and have an issue like this, it doesn't work the same as Paypal. With regular Paypal, everything can be handled right there on the Paypal website, very convenient and easy to do. With Bill Me Later, you will have to call Paypal with the Bill Me Later information for the transaction (I called Bill Me Later only to be redirected to Paypal via phone). After explaining everything to Paypal, they assign a case number and open the case. However, the case still cannot be viewed on the Paypal website, therefore I cannot add information to the case conveniently, such as the link here. Additionally, because the Bill Me Later is in my wife's name, she has to call with the details for the case. When the case was opened, the rep she spoke to immediately acknowledged the screw down versus the PSA holder. My wife is out of town, so I sent her this to relay on the phone today (please):

Seller stole the image for his listing from item # 330696464296
Card says Dover reprint on the back
Most importantly, Link to comments by pre-war enthusiasts/experts, which covers everything: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=150269

I imagine it'll be a pain in the neck for her to relay the above information, such as the link here, and the long transaction ID/case numbers to reference what she's calling about.

Thanks Bilko. Thanks again everybody, will update y'all

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

You will find it authentic
- mroserestoration2012

didn't even know how to spell Goudey.

Sounds like you might be dealing with the Cincinnati Cousins. Now that their Honus Wagner hasn't been selling they thought they would deal with lower end items.

[HBroll]

Hi Greg,
I hope everything works out ok for you. This guy needs to be thrown off eBay and into jail. Keep us informed.
Howard

[mikedenero]

Saw this thread and saw that the "seller" used our scan. We have this card listed on eBay at $275 Buy It Now. What can we do to help? We obviously still have this card (the real PSA 4) in our possession.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by mikedenero

Saw this thread and saw that the "seller" used our scan. We have this card listed on eBay at $275 Buy It Now. What can we do to help? We obviously still have this card (the real PSA 4) in our possession.

Thanks Mike. I notified Paypal last week, including the information on the scan and other information Net54 members found. Actually my wife contacted them because the account is in her name, and they said they would take the information and place in the file, adding they probably wouldn't need it though. We're waiting to hear back from them.

Thanks HBroll

[kcohen]

Anyone -

Given that this jerk used the mail to defraud, does what he did constitute mail fraud? Can something be filed with the post office to that effect?

[Clutch-Hitter]

I received a message this morning stating the seller opened a "cancel transaction" case. Does anybody know, if I accept, will my money be refunded? I'm assuming it would.

Thanks again everybody

M.ike D.en.ero has been very generous with his time in PM's and phone calls...very appreciative of Mike.

kcohen, makes sense to me.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Bill Me Later has proven to be a horrible choice in payment method. When I click on view the details of my case, I have to click another link to the Paypal account to view the details. There are no details and no open cases according to Paypal because it was a bill me later purchase, although the dispute is through Paypal. Lesson learned.

Meanwhile, this guy is still on ebay! They know he was scamming me and that he stole Mike's image for his scam listing! Wow, what are the consequences, just that the seller may have to refund money? A seller like this has nothing to lose with this scam, and it is taking an incredibly long time to get my money back given the evidence.

[Clutch-Hitter]

The ebay listing was removed, claiming protection of the buyer. Scammer still selling...

Thanks for your interest in this auction-style listing:

160783078432 - Hank Greenberg 1938 Goudey #253 Baseball Card

We're sorry to tell you that the item isn't available for purchase anymore. We removed the listing because it likely fell into one of these three categories:

-- The listing doesn't follow eBay guidelines.
-- The item isn't allowed on eBay or can only be listed under certain conditions.
-- The listing contains pictures or words that may have violated copyright or trademark rights.

This is disappointing for everyone, but sometimes it's an action we have to take to protect you as a buyer.

Important: If you won the item and haven't paid for it yet, you don't need to complete the transaction. If you've already paid for the item, we encourage you to contact the seller to get more information about the transaction. If you don't receive the item, your purchase price plus original shipping may be covered by the eBay resolution process:

[Clutch-Hitter]

Received a message from sleeveless today:

Dear remembering_ruth,

I am attempting to cancel our transaction. I apologize for using a pic of another card that was exactly like the card I sold. I have a buyer for the card so please send me the same card in the same screwdown container. I am new to eBay and in no way was trying to be misleading. I sent you an authentic Goudy card. I did not know that the container would effect the card's authenticity. It doesn't seem to matter to my new buyer. Please let me know asap so we can resolve this issue and I can maintain my perfect eBay seller rating. Thank you

- mroserestoration2012

Having to pay for return shipping doesn't seem right at all. If I did, and because he still has an ebay account, that would confirm that there are no consequences for blatant scams on ebay. Besides, I definitely don't believe he'd refund my money either way unless forced to do so. I have until May 8 to agree to cancel, which seems like a second layer of scam.

[thecatspajamas]

Greg,
You should NOT agree to the cancellation request he sent. Certainly not before getting your money back. All that agreeing to the cancellation will do is allow eBay to refund the commission fees back to him. Personally, I would deny the cancellation request to be sure he gets stuck with the fees for his fraudulent transaction (technically, you'd be saying you still want to get what you paid for, which he obviously can't provide). Work with Paypal (or Paypal / Bill Me Later in this case) to get your money back. It's a sloooow process, but they are the ones with their fingers in his bank account and are far more likely to get your money back than this kid who was running a scam from the start.

If Paypal/eBay asks you to return the card to him for a refund, make sure you use tracking for the return so that you can prove when it was returned to him. If you told them it was a counterfeit card, they may not even require you to return it. Just know that on the other end of the claim, Paypal will have already frozen the funds associated with the transaction in this kid's account.

If he's trying to get you to cancel the transaction now and send the card back to him, it's only so that he can take advantage of another trusting bidder. You don't have to be in a hurry just because he is. If it's a long, painful process to get your money back through Paypal, might as well make him suffer along with you.

[buymycards]

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/

I'm not sure how involved the inspectors are in regard to eBay cases, but I would think they would be interested in this.

Rick

[Clutch-Hitter]

Lance,
I declined the cancellation and spoke to Paypal. The rep I spoke to echoed what you said, stating it is a lengthy process, and I will not have to spend my money returning a card that carries no value. She said a counterfeit and a reprint are one and the same. Thank you for the information.

Rick,

I'm in the process of checking into that. Thank you

[Clutch-Hitter]

Wanted to update y'all on this:

1. I have not been refunded

2. I receive periodic emails from Paypal ordering me to upload tracking showing that I mailed the counterfeit back. I don't even know the guy's address; the package did not have an address, just the name Rose. His Paypal has account name "Rose's." I should not have to spend my money sending this garbage back and Paypal agrees on the phone. The latest email said I have until the 21st to upload tracking or the case will be closed.

3. When I received the first few emails, I called and spoke to Paypal. They said not to worry about it, that Paypal does not require people to mail back counterfeits, etc. I found out the employee my wife spoke to at the beginning did not write down the information she provided because it was not in the case file. I found out during my second call to them, which was several weeks after, that Paypal had not opened a counterfeit case.

4. I made a note of the date and time of my most recent phone conversations.

5. I have no idea what's going on with them and have been led to believe that I should believe what they tell me.

[slidekellyslide]

The people answering phones at Paypal are probably paid minimum wage and don't keep the job long because of the abuse they take daily. It's not surprising that you're getting the runaround from them. Good luck..hopefully someone there actually cares that you got ripped off.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Thanks Dan,

My wife just spoke to a Paypal rep. He said tracking has to be provided today or else...

So the evidence is being returned for the next buyer ...

[doug.goodman]

1 - Draw a picture of the card
2 - Make sure you use a happy face
3 - Send it with tracking.

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

I receive periodic emails from Paypal ordering me to upload tracking showing that I mailed the counterfeit back. I don't even know the guy's address; the package did not have an address, just the name Rose. His Paypal has account name "Rose's." I should not have to spend my money sending this garbage back and Paypal agrees on the phone. The latest email said I have until the 21st to upload tracking or the case will be closed.

Greg,

How did Paypal respond with where to ship if you nor they have an address on file?

What did they say when you asked how do you give a tracking number to an address you don't know?

Just curious.

r/
Frank

[Clutch-Hitter]

They told my wife that a message he sent included his address and verbally gave that address to her. I checked my messages and did not find one but it may have been an email that I moved to a folder and do not have access to. I do not know his first name and was just told first hand by Paypal that his first name was none of my business, only his account, Rose's, is my business.

My wife spoke to them several times this morning and gave them permission to speak to me lastly. The last person she spoke to said the guy basically committed a felony, which is why it took so long. I would have asked why they forced me to send evidence to a felon.

I spoke to a lady who said
- once the post office delivers it, I should get refunded
- I asked, what if they lose it, to which she said I would have to claim it with the post office, would be their fault
- I said even if, the seller is at fault, not me or the post office.
- She said his account may be monitored, to which I asked why he was allowed to sell? She said there had to be several accusations. , and I said that is why it's everywhere on ebay.

1. Stole the image for the listing
2. Advertised professionally authenticated item
3. Sent card in screw down
4. Sent reprint/counterfeit
5. No return address or first name
6. His web site bears all...

Felonbay

[HBroll]

Greg,
Call eBay and give them the item # and tell them you want to send back the fake card. They will walk you through the listing and they will help you find his address.
A similar thing happened to me and the seller refused to give me his return address so I could send the item back and eBay walked me through the listing over the phone and I got his return address that way. I hope this helps.
Howard

[Clutch-Hitter]

Thanks guys,

It got jumbled up in my previous post, but to clarify, they did give my wife an address for Mr. No Name, which I'm assuming was his correct address today.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

Thanks guys,

It got jumbled up in my previous post, but to clarify, they did give my wife an address for Mr. No Name, which I'm assuming was his correct address today.

find out this shlub's name through a reverse address check online and post it for everybody to see. he shouldnt be able to remain anonymous.