Ethics Question...OK or Crazy

[BabyRuth]

The question was OK or Crazy?
I vote for Crazy

[brianp-beme]

Please in the future read up on players before you purchase vintage cards so as to avoid feeling like you have to destroy a piece of history to have peace of mind.

Brian

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Please in the future read up on players before you purchase vintage cards so as to avoid feeling like you have to destroy a piece of history to have peace of mind.

Brian

+1. My thoughts exactly.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Please in the future read up on players before you purchase vintage cards so as to avoid feeling like you have to destroy a piece of history to have peace of mind.

Brian

That cards traveled and survived 110 years just for that ending? ugh

[frankbmd]

Hitler died in 1945. Okay

Chase died in 1947. Crazy

I doubt that I would have to think very long about whether to cut up a holocaust architect or a baseball player, and neither would feel my knife.

Consider therapy.

[toledo_mudhen]

Hilarious thread!

Been messin with cards for 30+ years now and can honestly say that I have never purposely destroyed one - so my vote is for "crazy" on this one.

Possible "covid lockdown" temporary insanity?

[Compsella]

I actually destroyed a card once. I was 12. Was with my mom at the mall. Had just bought an '88 Donruss rack pack. And my mom dragged me to JCPenney as she quite literally tried on every blouse in the GD store. I was bored as hell and my hair was a mess. Being a pubescent pre-teen I was very self-conscious of my appearance so I took a card (I think it was either Juan Berenguer or Jeff Reardon), and tore little triangles out of one side. So I created my own makeshift '88 Donruss comb. Wish I still had that thing.

[JustinD]

I feel as though this entire thread lends itself nicely into a soliloquy on the current thought of today’s society and reverence of the past.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I feel as though this entire thread lends itself nicely into a soliloquy on the current thought of today’s society and reverence of the past.

What is "the current thought of today's society" ?

[cammb]

Don't believe a word!!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I feel as though this entire thread lends itself nicely into a soliloquy on the current thought of today’s society and reverence of the past.

And the current "cancel culture."

[Clutch-Hitter]

Tales grow tall over time, especially those of famous folks. And especially after death; have to spice it up.

IN MY OPINION

[rholmes]

So what's next? You going to march off to burn some books?

And by the way, there are guys on N54 who actually COLLECT Hal Chase. I mean, they actively seek out his cards and photos and memorabilia, and pay money for them. Imagine that horror. This board is a freakin cesspool of maniac devil lovers!

[rats60]

Andrew Jackson wasn't very likeable. Do you burn all of your $20 bills? I can understand not wanting his card. Sell it or give it to someone else. Destroying cards that others collect is wrong.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by rholmes

So what's next? You going to march off to burn some books?

And by the way, there are guys on N54 who actually COLLECT Hal Chase. I mean, they actively seek out his cards and photos and memorabilia, and pay money for them. Imagine that horror. This board is a freakin cesspool of maniac devil lovers!

LOVE the devil??? No, make a pact with the devil......it depends.

[JollyElm]

He that is without sin among you, let him be the first to cut up the cardboard.

[jingram058]

I did it in a total loss of self-control over what a jerk this guy was, a total extreme over-reaction. All together, I paid $500 for 6 cards, none in pristine condition. Yes, I guess I should have sent the Chase card to someone who would want it. I now regret that I went all over the top and destroyed it. I won't ever do it again. Needless to say, I did not cut up Gabby Street, Jack Quinn or Art Fletcher.

[Leftyndv10]

So when do you plan on destroying example of like 400 other subjects in the T sets? The set is full of drunkards, thieves, racists, adulterers, and basically any other negative social namesake you can think of, sorry to burst whatever bubble you’ve been collecting in haha.

Guy cuts up card of a jerk but overlooks the dudes who fixed games on the reg and caused the biggest stain in the sports history? Laughable

Honestly the dumbest thing I’ve read in years if this isn’t a troll post.

[jingram058]

Not a troll post, and I couldn't care any less what you think, Lefty. Who cares what you think. And I am not laughing.

[Leftyndv10]

You literally asked the internets judgements of your actions, therefore quite literally, you do care what people think....

[wazoo]

Originally Posted by Leftyndv10

You literally asked the internets judgements of your actions, therefore quite literally, you do care what people think....

+1

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Leftyndv10

You literally asked the internets judgements of your actions, therefore quite literally, you do care what people think....

You are right, I do care, just not you and your antagonistic, smug, condescending comments. That is my final word on it to you.

It was an act of bad judgement, irresponsible even. But it's done. I can't put the card back together again.

[egri]

George Washington, Andrew Jackson, and Alexander Hamilton all have skeletons in their closets for things far worse than what Chase did, and I'm sure if we dug deep enough we could find something on Ben Franklin, Ulysses Grant and Abraham Lincoln as well. Anyone who doesn't want to look at their pictures is free to send me all their money, and I'll make sure they never have to see their likeness again.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by egri

George Washington, Andrew Jackson, and Alexander Hamilton all have skeletons in their closets for things far worse than what Chase did, and I'm sure if we dug deep enough we could find something on Ben Franklin, Ulysses Grant and Abraham Lincoln as well. Anyone who doesn't want to look at their pictures is free to send me all their money, and I'll make sure they never have to see their likeness again.

As a Relative of William T Sherman, burn ME! Collecting is hell

[Bobbycee]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

As a Relative of William T Sherman, burn ME! Collecting is hell

Funny use of history. I'm a distant relative of his as well.

I wouldn't have cut up the card. Always remember to step back and cool off before making a decision stemming from anger.

[topcat61]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

As a Relative of William T Sherman, burn ME! Collecting is hell

Ted I had no idea your relatives were John and William T? Very cool! I just read John Sherman's two volume autobiography for my articles on him - a very interesting and equally historically important guy, especially in the rarity of tobacco cards.

[bmattioli]

When I was in High School in 1981 I remember a local here in CT burned a 1952 Topps Mantle in protest of the Baseball Strike..

[darkhorse9]

Coming in the board to post something like this sounds like a massive effort if "virtue signaling"

Seriously, why would you want to come here with a question like that unless you wanted people to think how wonderful your morals were?

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by egri

I'm sure if we dug deep enough we could find something on Ben Franklin, Ulysses Grant and Abraham Lincoln as well.

Uhh, you don't need to dig very deep in regard to Franklin. He was reputedly quite the libertine during his time as ambassador to France.

Having said that, I don't get destroying a card.

I mean, do get not wanting to reward despicable characters. In terms of those that still alive, this would normally take the form of a boycott with the intent of not having your hard earned dollars ending up in their pocket. In terms of historical figures, like Chase or someone like Nathan Bedford Forrest, you obviously can't harm/withhold reward from them, but you can refuse to participate in their celebration and work to balance the hagiography with truth. Destroying a card being held in a private collection really doesn't do any of that. It just seems...performative.

[realbigfatdog]

Originally Posted by BabyRuth

The question was OK or Crazy?
I vote for Crazy

+1. I actually thought this was a joke thread at first. This might have been the stupidest thing I've ever read.

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[doug.goodman]

How is this an ethics question?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by realbigfatdog

+1. I actually thought this was a joke thread at first. This might have been the stupidest thing I've ever read.

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[philliesfan]

I vote crazy.

Nothing was gained with cutting it up.

Would you cut up and flush a T3 or any other card of Chase?

[todeen]

While I wouldn't cut up the card, I don't think this is a stupid thread. We've had this conversation about collecting cards of unsavory people. Quite often someone says, "I am collecting 1970 Topps fb, but I don't want to buy the OJ Simpson card...." As has been stated, there are other unsavory characters that some of us don't want in our collections.

Cutting up the card was poorly thought out, but wanting to feel consciously clean about collecting sports cards is perfectly fine.

[Casey2296]

One must be careful of Presentism or the Nunc Pro Tunc fallacy where one does not depict the past in objective historical context but instead views history only through the lens of contemporary beliefs.

History should not be sugar coated nor vilified, it's history, it's what happened. You (not you) may have been a "worse" person than Mr. Chase if you were raised in his environment, one never knows.

Ty Cobb was salty as hell and not well liked, he was also raised in a pretty brutal environment, he also financed a Memorial Hospital in Georgia that is now part of the St. Mary's Healthcare System. He also helped a lot of teammates who were down on their luck. It's just history.

We learn from our past so we hopefully don't repeat the mistakes we may have made.

[ullmandds]

Call it what u will...but it was the op’s card so he can do whatever he wants with it.