Hey, pennant guys

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I've often contemplated the same about identical screened images that vary in size. How did 1960s technology handle that?

Kyle?

I dunno. I wasn't born 'til the 1980s

Nah, I think the sizing was all done in the darkroom when the pen + ink drawing of the original artwork was translated from paper to transparency. I'm a little confused as to how the old timers did this, but I think they took a photograph of the drawing; created a negative thereof; then developed the image into a positive on transparent paper that was whatever size they desired?

When I make a pennant, I usually draw my artwork on paper; scan it; then print the scan directly on to transparent paper specially designed for an ink jet printer. I'll then place that printed transparency atop my emulsion coated screen, expose it to UV light, then wash it out. If all goes right, I'm left with a stencil capable of reproducing the crisp details of my intended design.

[rlevy]

Let me preface this post by saying that I know less about pennants than most (if not all) of you on this thread. To me, the history of the event or time period the pennant is tied to is more important than the pennant’s aesthetics, and I like finding photos that picture specific pennants I have in my collection. I believe I have 2 early 1957-58 LA Dodger pennants that were made up for special events and not sold publicly. I also have a third pennant that also dates to a 1958 event, but I am unsure if it was also sold to the public.

here is the first one, I will post the other 2 later.

A huge civic welcoming luncheon honors the Dodgers on Oct 28, 1957 at the Statler Hotel in Los Angeles. Pictures of the event are below, and show a huge room filled with tables and mostly men in suits, and pennants like the one pictured below appear to be the centerpieces on each table. There is also a picture of O’Malley with people waving the pennants around him.
1957 welcome dinner.jpg
1957 welcome dinner 2.jpg
1957 welcome dinner 3.jpg


The pennant measures approximately 12” x 18” and is screen printed. There is no spine, the pennant was stapled to a small stick instead. The city of LA organized the event and I imagine they wanted to keep costs down, which probably resulted in the smaller size and lack of a spine being sewn on. In addition, the luncheon was only a couple of weeks after Walter O’Malley announced the team would move there from Brooklyn, so time could have also been a factor in the simplicity of the construction. Given the number apparently produced for the event, it is somewhat surprising to me that this pennant doesn’t appear for sale very often. The only other one I have seen lately came from the Vin Scully collection.

Rick

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by rlevy

Let me preface this post by saying that I know less about pennants than most (if not all) of you on this thread. To me, the history of the event or time period the pennant is tied to is more important than the pennant’s aesthetics, and I like finding photos that picture specific pennants I have in my collection. I believe I have 2 early 1957-58 LA Dodger pennants that were made up for special events and not sold publicly. I also have a third pennant that also dates to a 1958 event, but I am unsure if it was also sold to the public.

here is the first one, I will post the other 2 later.

A huge civic welcoming luncheon honors the Dodgers on Oct 28, 1957 at the Statler Hotel in Los Angeles. Pictures of the event are below, and show a huge room filled with tables and mostly men in suits, and pennants like the one pictured below appear to be the centerpieces on each table. There is also a picture of O’Malley with people waving the pennants around him.
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The pennant measures approximately 12” x 18” and is screen printed. There is no spine, the pennant was stapled to a small stick instead. The city of LA organized the event and I imagine they wanted to keep costs down, which probably resulted in the smaller size and lack of a spine being sewn on. In addition, the luncheon was only a couple of weeks after Walter O’Malley announced the team would move there from Brooklyn, so time could have also been a factor in the simplicity of the construction. Given the number apparently produced for the event, it is somewhat surprising to me that this pennant doesn’t appear for sale very often. The only other one I have seen lately came from the Vin Scully collection.

Rick

This is awesome! Great shape, too. Maybe some people took them home but I’d guess more were left at the table and thrown away.

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

This is awesome! Great shape, too. Maybe some people took them home but I’d guess more were left at the table and thrown away.

That makes sense Greg. People may have taken them home and given them to their kids if the pennant had more artistic merit (like depicting a batter swinging or pitcher throwing). It is pretty plain.

Rick

[Domer05]

If only someone had thought to save the "Welcome LOS ANGELES DODGERS" banner; or the equally awesome "THE GREATEST CATCH IN BASEBALL" banner!

Great stuff, Rick!

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

If only someone had thought to save the "Welcome LOS ANGELES DODGERS" banner; or the equally awesome "THE GREATEST CATCH IN BASEBALL" banner!

Great stuff, Rick!

Thanks Kyle. That "Greatest Catch" banner would be amazing if it still existed. I'm working on the next write-up.

Rick

[ooo-ribay]

Great memento, Rick!

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Great memento, Rick!

Thanks Rob. Your “commemorating the first game” pennant is certainly more eye-catching.

Rick

[UKCardGuy]

Very cool pennant Rick

Out of curiosity, did you get it from someone who was at the event?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by rlevy

Thanks Rob. Your “commemorating the first game” pennant is certainly more eye-catching.

Rick

Yes, it is, but I don’t have “the real deal”….I have Kyle’s reproduction, which is the next best thing. I could have bought a beautiful original for $750, 20+ years ago. I wish I had.

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Very cool pennant Rick

Out of curiosity, did you get it from someone who was at the event?

Unfortunately not. In all likelihood some of my family was probably at the luncheon as they were season ticket holders from Day 1. But they weren't the type to have held on to things like pennants anyway.

Rick

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Yes, it is, but I don’t have “the real deal”….I have Kyle’s reproduction, which is the next best thing. I could have bought a beautiful original for $750, 20+ years ago. I wish I had.

Sorry Rob, thought you had managed to get one. At least you have Kyle's amazing pennant.

Rick

[vintagesportflips]

Hey guys,
I haven’t been on net54 as much as I used to, but wanted to share a cool Deadstock pennant collection that I picked up in my latest YouTube video. These were unsold stock for the most part.

https://youtu.be/kT-kZvs27Eo

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by kjjavic

Hey guys,
I haven’t been on net54 as much as I used to, but wanted to share a cool Deadstock pennant collection that I picked up in my latest YouTube video. These were unsold stock for the most part.

https://youtu.be/kT-kZvs27Eo

That is jaw dropping! Good luck selling 274 pennants!

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by kjjavic

Hey guys,
I haven’t been on net54 as much as I used to, but wanted to share a cool Deadstock pennant collection that I picked up in my latest YouTube video. These were unsold stock for the most part.

https://youtu.be/kT-kZvs27Eo

Nice video Keith. Nice pick up as well.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by kjjavic

Hey guys,
I haven’t been on net54 as much as I used to, but wanted to share a cool Deadstock pennant collection that I picked up in my latest YouTube video. These were unsold stock for the most part. https://youtu.be/kT-kZvs27Eo

So cool to watch, some great pennants in there and you will do very well on your investment. I wonder where in the world those had been sitting for the last 60 or so years!

[vintagesportflips]

Thanks for watching guys. Rob - this collection is relatively small in terms of other pennant lots I’ve bought. Check out the 30k pennant collection I bought in a previous video - I’ll be tackling that one for years.

[Fballguy]

What's wrong with this picture?

[bocca001]

Fooball?

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Fooball?

1956...The year of the great Proofreaders strike. Some how this got by. And there is no corrected version. They just went with it.

"Damnit Jim...There's no time for a T!"

https://youtu.be/_suzpmJ8nGc

[ooo-ribay]

That’s a great pennant. Yours? Rare?

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

That’s a great pennant. Yours? Rare?

This one is not mine but I do have one. Pretty rare.

[karamaxjoe]

I'm not a pennant guy, but I really like this Sox pennant. What can you guys tell me about it? Authentic or repro? It's getting a lot of attention on ebay.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by karamaxjoe

I'm not a pennant guy, but I really like this Sox pennant. What can you guys tell me about it? Authentic or repro? It's getting a lot of attention on ebay.

It’s vintage, no question.

[perezfan]

I thought we weren't outing live auctions here. Obviously it's authentic.

[karamaxjoe]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I thought we weren't outing live auctions here. Obviously it's authentic.

I figured I'd get that response, but it's kind of hard to out an auction with sixteen bids. Trust me......I wouldn't have asked with only a couple bids.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by karamaxjoe

I figured I'd get that response, but it's kind of hard to out an auction with sixteen bids. Trust me......I wouldn't have asked with only a couple bids.

Here’s the version likely made a couple years earlier, same design, three sets of tassels, tag on back (Wabash Pennant Co., Chicago) but all embroidered. Perhaps suggests that the advent or spread of silk screening fell in between, so we’re likely looking at early 1910s for both.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by karamaxjoe

I figured I'd get that response, but it's kind of hard to out an auction with sixteen bids. Trust me......I wouldn't have asked with only a couple bids.

Nah, I get it. Just frustration coming out...the result of waiting literally years for a good one to surface, after spending every day weeding through the endless junk and mass produced crap. eBay ain't what it used to be, as pennants like this used to show up somewhat frequently.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

What's wrong with this picture?

Love that pennant. I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that football was played at Yankee Stadium. Who knew.

[erikc21]

A few additions I’ve made over the last 1/2 year. Nothing previously unseen and I’m sure Greg and Mark probably have all in better condition








Happy Sunday!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by erikc21

A few additions I’ve made over the last 1/2 year. Nothing previously unseen and I’m sure Greg and Mark probably have all in better condition








Happy Sunday!

Erik, very nice. Your ‘63 LAD is in exceptional condition, I have one but it is faded. Yours is the first I’ve seen with vibrant colors. Never saw that Angels before, either. Love the Braves, it appears to be an early Keezer based on construction.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Here’s the version likely made a couple years earlier, same design, three sets of tassels, tag on back (Wabash Pennant Co., Chicago) but all embroidered. Perhaps suggests that the advent or spread of silk screening fell in between, so we’re likely looking at early 1910s for both.

Is the “tiger tag” on the back of the ebay pennant also Wabash Pennant Co.?

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Is the “tiger tag” on the back of the ebay pennant also Wabash Pennant Co.?

No, it is not....

The eBay pennant was screen printed; and, the label on the back bearing the silhouette of a tiger is the mark of The Reproduction Co. of NY.

I remember that Wabash version.... Wabash was a Chicago-based pennant maker doing business in the early turn of the century. Obviously, someone copied the other maker's work. The Wabash pennant, you'll note, was sewed letter--not screen printed.

These two pennants illustrate an interesting point concerning ca. 1910 base ball pennants: not all makers had access to the screen printing method!

I just posted some new content on Repco over on Pennant Factory, for those interested in learning more about them and their work....

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

No, it is not....

The eBay pennant was screen printed; and, the label on the back bearing the silhouette of a tiger is the mark of The Reproduction Co. of NY.

I remember that Wabash version.... Wabash was a Chicago-based pennant maker doing business in the early turn of the century. Obviously, someone copied the other maker's work. The Wabash pennant, you'll note, was sewed letter--not screen printed.

These two pennants illustrate an interesting point concerning ca. 1910 base ball pennants: not all makers had access to the screen printing method!

I just posted some new content on Repco over on Pennant Factory, for those interested in learning more about them and their work....

I knew you’d know!

edit: If you make a repro of the Repco Giants, put me down for one!

[thetahat]

Lousy condition aside, my brain can’t process this pennant …

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25593500680...vi4YQ&LH_BIN=1

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Lousy condition aside, my brain can’t process this pennant …

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25593500680...vi4YQ&LH_BIN=1

I like the six little pink shacks out front!

So…..is this a known pennant or what?

[Duluth Eskimo]

Never seen a 1969 version like that. I wonder if the MLB logo was added to old stock to make them salable.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Never seen a 1969 version like that. I wonder if the MLB logo was added to old stock to make them salable.

Can't think of a better explanation. It must've sat dormant for over a decade before someone decided to slap on that MLB logo. Whatever the explanation, that one wins the ugly award for January.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Can't think of a better explanation. It must've sat dormant for over a decade before someone decided to slap on that MLB logo. Whatever the explanation, that one wins the ugly award for January.

Oh, I’m sure if we tried, we could find uglier.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Lousy condition aside, my brain can’t process this pennant …

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25593500680...vi4YQ&LH_BIN=1

Only thing is it looks like it's got synthetic piping on it. This woven material generally started in mid 50's up thru late 60's. I wonder if it was just a bunch of material laying around that "they" decided to use. It doesn't look like the MLB was added later. Appears to be same screen. Very strange.

[murphusa]

New to me

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Only thing is it looks like it's got synthetic piping on it. This woven material generally started in mid 50's up thru late 60's. I wonder if it was just a bunch of material laying around that "they" decided to use. It doesn't look like the MLB was added later. Appears to be same screen. Very strange.

It’s a great looking design and I always figured it was late 50s, early 60s. That Yankee Stadium graphic does date back to 1957 WS pennants. Hard to find not faded. This is the first I’ve seen with the ‘69 trademark, Trenches with that stamp usually just show the official team logo.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Oh, I’m sure if we tried, we could find uglier.

Actually, if it wasn't for all the moth holes, I think it looks kind of cool.

I have one of these Cleveland Pennants but I think it's got to be on the short list for the ugliest pennant.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by murphusa

New to me

Cool. West Coast Concessionaires.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Actually, if it wasn't for all the moth holes, I think it looks kind of cool.

I have one of these Cleveland Pennants but I think it's got to be on the short list for the ugliest pennant.

Here's another Keezer "gem" that might qualify for the infamous short list. Not their best mascot, IMHO. Zoom in on it, to see his hands alone might be the most annoying thing ever depicted on a pennant. And his ears are not much better. Not Keezer's finest moment...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/36406980818...Bk9SR-7dsK65YQ

[perezfan]

Since the conversation has taken a temporary "detour" to address ugly pennants, here are a couple of other nominations.

Will the new trend among eBay sellers be to cut away the left and right sides, leaving only the middle portion.... thus calling them "mini pennants"? These made me laugh...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/18457924577...Bk9SR9K5hbO5YQ

https://www.ebay.com/itm/18457919574...Bk9SR9K5hbO5YQ

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Since the conversation has taken a temporary "detour" to address ugly pennants, here are a couple of other nominations.

Will the new trend among eBay sellers be to cut away the left and right sides, leaving only the middle portion.... thus calling them "mini pennants"? These made me laugh...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/18457924577...Bk9SR9K5hbO5YQ

https://www.ebay.com/itm/18457919574...Bk9SR9K5hbO5YQ

$14.85 shipping for those beauty's!

[ooo-ribay]

This one, although rare, will always be in the discussion of ugly pennants. Who made this, anyway? Tassels are pretty distinctive.

[UKCardGuy]

Yep, that SFG pennant is right up there in the ugly stakes.

Here's 3 new arrivals today. Of the 3, the Oliva was the most exciting for me. Pretty hard to find and the price was a bargain.

Anyone have any info about the Tony Conigliaro mini pennant? I've not been able to find another one.

[perezfan]

Nice pickups! Never seen that Conigliaro, and great find on the Oliva!