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Old 05-11-2009, 10:02 PM
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Default E98 OLD PUT Backed Survey

I thought I would start this as a seperate thread because I think it might have gotten buried in the recent thread about E98s.
I wanted to try to get a comprehensive checklist of all known E98s that have an Old Put Stamp on them so that it would add to the provenance of the existing ones that exist. This checklist will help when "newly discovered to the hobby" Old Puts appear. I'm not saying that any new Old Puts to the market automatically means that they are fakes, but as Leon stated in the thread about overprints that "provenance" will come into play in the future as overprints like an Old Put are discovered. For example, I have the "provenance" well documented on the 6 Old Puts that I own with pictures and documentation from auction houses.

So here is what I know currently exists at this point. Please chime in with any other additional information:

Most Old Put stamped E98s have a red background, but at least 2, maybe 3 have a blue background. Of all the ones with the OP stamp only Clarke has been known to have 2 cards stamped. Every other know OP backed card is supposedly a one-of-a-kind.

These are the ones that I know of:

BLUE
BACKGROUND
* Leon owns a Clarke SGC graded
*Rob A. owns a Dooin (Don't know if it is graded)
*Leon thinks he has read or heard of a 3rd one????
**Leon and Rob, I put your names by your cards because you have them displayed on your websites.

RED
BACKGROUND
* SGC has a Chance listed on their Registry.
I have * a Cobb SGC graded
* a Wagner SGC graded
* a Brown SGC graded
* a Mcgraw SGC graded
* a Young SGC graded
* a Collins SGC graded
*Leon owns a Bresnahan
* I saw a Meyers in a Devid Festberg auction about 8 years ago.
*Bob M. (tbob) had a RED Clarke that was on its way to
him after being grade by GAI but was LOST in shipping
by big brown.

This would put the total at 11 known to exist, 12 if we count the possible 3rd blue one, and 13 if Bob's Red Clarke ever shows up. It is interesting that of all the ones to exist only 1 ISN"T a Hall of Famer!

If others exist, please let the board know. This would be very valuable information if a new discovery pops up in the future. I'm hoping that the grading companies could use this information, and the recent overprint forgeries, to help them be very cautious in their future grading of these Old Put Overprints.

Thanks,
Tim
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