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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: James/jverri01
I am amazed by some of the grading I have seen that has been done by SCD. Do they do the grading in-house, or out-source it and just allow the SCD name to be added? I don't mean to be overly-harsh, as I tend to be a bit conservative in condition assessment, but - can a card with paper loss, heavy chipping, etc., really be defined as very good? To me - not really. Here are some T206 examples, (sorry to only include examples of T206s - but, as most of you know - that is pretty much all I touch) currently on Ebay: |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: runscott
I don't deal with PSA, but I think SGC would have given similar grades. They also don't seem to be too bothered by minor border chipping or the diamond cuts - see my t206 Smith currently on ebay (for illustrative purposes only Elliot!). Also, I've read complaints about the SCD cards being trimmed, but I can't tell that sort of thing from scans - do you guys have some sort of super-resolution screen? |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: Bob Lemke
Having examined every card from the Florida Find of T206s, both prior to and after grading, I can say without hesitation that not a single card has been trimmed or altered in any way; these are exactly as they came from the factory. It is also my opinion that the SCDA graders were by and large extremely conservative with the grades assigned. The prices most of these cards are bringing with eight hours or so left in the auction tells me that a lot of collectors recognize that fact. Most of the Hall of Famers are already at or above SMR values for PSA cards in the same nominal grades . . . and the sniping has yet to begin. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: roy miles
The reason that these items are receiving decent bids is that dealers will try to win the auction and crack the cards out and submit them to a real grading company, like PSA or SGC. Once in a PSA or SGC holder these card values will soar well in excess of what it sold for in a SCDA holder. The graders at SCDA are clueless. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: runscott
I'm just curious - what is it about your "find" that makes it so remarkable? If you check out the SCG-graded t206 auctions I'm running currently, almost all came from a recent "find" of probably 2,000 to 2,500 t206's. (estimate based on the fact that there were 4-5 copies of most of the cards I purchased - 5 Matty black caps, 4 Chance yellow portraits, 4 McGraw portraits w/cap,etc.). I only purchased 56 HOF'ers from this more low-key and unadvertised "find", most of which have graded out higher than yours, and I haven't even started auctioning the nice ones. Also, most of ours were Old Mill. I'm looking forward to reading your article in SCD - maybe I'll write one as well for VCBC. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: brian
I have purchased t206's from "finds" of 200-700 cards in the past 15 years and most of them have graded much higher than the florida lot. Do the remaining 200 cards have higher grades or were these cards simply handled more? |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: Eric Angyal
cards with portions of the name/team designation and/or border scraped off the front cannot warrant a vg/ex grade whether it be "old school" grading, "new school" grading, or anywhere in between. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: brian
Your right Eric, |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: Eric Angyal
You can e-mail me at angyale@att.net |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: MW
(1) There is nothing truly remarkable about this group of T206s |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: runscott
I still don't see the grading problem - looking at the portraits of Bresnahan, Evers, Chance and Brown (the only ones I was interested in), I found the grades to be very acceptable. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: petecld
The Tinker says: |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: runscott
...this happens occasionally with SCG also, but not often. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: runscott
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: vorthian
<< I don't deal with PSA, but I think SGC would have given similar grades. >> |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: vorthian
<< I don't mean to be overly-harsh, as I tend to be a bit conservative in condition assessment, but - can a card with paper loss, heavy chipping, etc., really be defined as very good? To me - not really. >> |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: runscott (ignorant novice)
Based on their arguments, it looks like another one of the many personal feuds. What is it about SCD that has certain people hacked off? Please, I like to be enlightened so I can understand this stuff. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: petecld
What makes ANY of the comments posted about SCD personal? |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: runscott
Pete - you completely missed my point. I AGREE completely that SCD is hyping a blah collection of cards. I made a point in my post of pointing out that there is a difference between that issue and the issue of attacking their grading based on a bunch of half-assed scans. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: petecld
Scott, sell one of your T206 - Uh, "variations" - and buy a better monitor. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: runscott
I would have liked one of the HOF portraits, just to get a close look, but the prices were too steep for me - I guess some bidders just wanted to own a card that had been in the news! |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: warshawlaw
When they were lower priced. I am now out of all of them. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: brian
Hey Scott |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: runscott
I've only had one and it was trashed, so I re-sold. I was very interested in the Evers and Brown portraits, but geez, Brown went high! BTW, one of the winners of several SCD cards is someone who has buoght from me before and consistently pays a lot - very nice guy. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: Marty
I do not have any basic disagreements with the overall grades of these cards. I have questions about the sub grades. How does Tinker get an 8 for centering? Why doesn't the surface of 5 and centering of 8 bring this card higher than the corners of 3? With the Keeler, centering of 6 and surface of 7 brings the corners of 5 up a half. Tinker make it seem that the corners are the most important grade, but with Chance, surface of 3 is not raised even with a 4 for corners and 6 for centering. Bender seems to be diamond cut only horizontally. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: brian
Yeah, I almost bid on the Evers portrait, it had really nice full borders, but one of the corners looked a little goofy so I uncocked the gun and put it back in the holster. It will be interesting to see the next group of cards, probably higher grades, and more Hofers. later brian |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: jeff
...i took a geometry class, but it seems improbable that the Bender is diamond cut in only one direction. Though I agree--it looks that way. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: TBob
There is just way too much subjectivity in the grading of cards, whether it be PSA, SCD, SGC, ASA, CSA, PRO, etc. Period. Buy the card not the holder. I recently cracked (or rather "peeled") my first Topps 206 buyback holder. The card inside was a beauty, who wants a crummy looking flimsy holder regardless of what the spinmeisters tell you its value might be? Although I took issue with some of the grades the SCD cards received, there were some cards with excellent eye appeal despite their flaws. The prices just rose too high because of the hype, but SCD is not a non-profit organization and you have to give them credit for an excellent marketing job on the cards. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: Bob Lemke
I certainly don't take offense when knowledgeable people express their opinions. I'm not even personally involved with SCD Authentic except to render an occasional opinion when asked or historical perspective. What makes this "Find" special and newsworthy is simply the fact that someone brought it to our attention. I've never even heard of the other couple of finds mentioned in this thread. Certainly if for personal (i.e., tax) reasons a person chooses not to contact the hobby media about a find, that's their business. As for the recent Mint Xpress eBay sale being the lower-end of the Find, not true. It is a fairly representative sample. Similar cards will be in the next Mint Xpress auction, and then in the third auction in SCD. Naturally, most of the "best" cards are going to be in the last auction, the EX+ Magie, for instance. There are still plenty of collector-grade Hall of Famers to be seen, green-background Cobb, SCD 8 McGraw (finger), etc. I can tell you there are very few cards in total which received a NM 7 and only one or two which made NM/MT 8. I seriously doubt that any other Find of T206 has cards which would overall grade consistently higher than these, at least if SCD graded them. It is my considered opinion that most of these cards went directly from the pack to the proverbial cigar box. They were handled little, if at all. Every fault and flaw is factory-induced, not withstanding the occasional corner bump. And I reiterate . . . none of these cards has ever been trimmed or altered in any way after leaving the factory. I'd say the prices speak for themselves. If, indeed, these cards can be cracked out of SCD slabs and given higher grades by other companies, what does that say about the other companies' grading standards? |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: brian
Dear Bob |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: harry
I do not believe that you can even compare the condition of this "find" of cards with the "Southern Find" from 10 years ago. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: vorthian
<< Based on their arguments, it looks like another one of the many personal feuds. >> |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: runscott
...and it seemed too much like work. |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: MW
Scott -- |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: runscott
even if the cards deserved their grades, they got way over book. If not, it was highway robbery! (please, any of you highway robbers, don't take offense) |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: Brian C Daniels
stop pasting and copying parts of everything everybody writes about anything you bung! It's ridiculous! We can see you comprehend the original comments! |
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Wow. The incredible disparity of SCD
Posted By: vorthian
<< My SGC grading thoughts were a response to your comment that I "pre-supposed [the SCD cards] would warrant a grade". >> |
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