Since the SGC news, results from trying to cross a SGC card to PSA

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by raulus

If history is any guide, if you attempt to do a true cross, without cracking first, the odds are good that you're going to take a hit on the grade. It's not that there's anything wrong with the original grade. There just seems to be an attitude that if it's coming from the other guys, then it must be overgraded. Although I guess there's always the possibility that now that both shops are under the same roof, there will be less negativity towards slabs from the other guys, since "them" is now "us".

And if you crack first and then submit, then you're taking a huge gamble. Will they refuse to slab it? Will it have some minsize issue? And that's before you even get to the time and cost involved in submitting to PSA.

I'm going to guess that around these parts, there's a lot fewer people who are eager to dump their SGC slabs and get them into shiny new PSA slabs. Not that it will stop us from hypothesizing and pontificating that such a person must be out there somewhere, and if enough of them exist, then it must mean something for the market for SGC slabs.

With the cross, you can put do not cross unless minimum grade met. If course, you will charged either way. But at least you have assurance that if it crosses, you will get a minimum grade.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

With the cross, you can put do not cross unless minimum grade met. If course, you will charged either way. But at least you have assurance that if it crosses, you will get a minimum grade.

Good point!

As you hinted at, I’m not sure how many people want to get frisky with that by spending all that cash and waiting months just to be told they’re SOL, because it doesn’t meet that minimum.

I guess the good news is that your card comes back in the original holder.

[Snowman]

There are more important data points to consider than just whether it was in an SGC slab before and what the grade is. Knowing when the card was graded by SGC and why it received the grade it did (e.g., due to corner wear, centering, surface wear, creases, etc) are more predictive if whether or not it will cross than just blindly assuming the reason it did or didn't cross is because of the current state of the hobby or an inherent bias to one's "team".

The fact remains, if your SGC grade is due to corner wear, it's unlikely to cross to PSA. If it's due to centering, it can often bump at PSA. If it's due to creases or surface wear, there's more variance from one grader to the next, it could go either way.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Snowman

There are more important data points to consider than just whether it was in an SGC slab before and what the grade is. Knowing when the card was graded by SGC and why it received the grade it did (e.g., due to corner wear, centering, surface wear, creases, etc) are more predictive if whether or not it will cross than just blindly assuming the reason it did or didn't cross is because of the current state of the hobby or an inherent bias to one's "team".

The fact remains, if your SGC grade is due to corner wear, it's unlikely to cross to PSA. If it's due to centering, it can often bump at PSA. If it's due to creases or surface wear, there's more variance from one grader to the next, it could go either way.

When you get bumps, do you crack and cross? Or do you cross in the slab?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by raulus

When you get bumps, do you crack and cross? Or do you cross in the slab?

I generally crack them out first, but not always. If I'm concerned about a card being rejected for minsize or some other reason, then I will keep it in the slab and send as a true crossover. Or if I want the grade on the slab to influence their decision, then I might send it as a true crossover as well. But 95% of the time, I will just crack the card out and submit it raw.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I generally crack them out first, but not always. If I'm concerned about a card being rejected for minsize or some other reason, then I will keep it in the slab and send as a true crossover. Or if I want the grade on the slab to influence their decision, then I might send it as a true crossover as well. But 95% of the time, I will just crack the card out and submit it raw.

Cool. Mostly I was trying to evaluate whether you've ever gotten a bump while keeping it in the old slab.

I'm guessing that's rare, but I've only once attempted submitting without cracking first. I crossed this card from SGC 6 to PSA 5, without cracking it out. Would it have scored higher if I had cracked it out first? Hard to say, but I wasn't willing to take the chance. And with this particular issue, the grade isn't particularly important anyway.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by raulus

Cool. Mostly I was trying to evaluate whether you've ever gotten a bump while keeping it in the old slab.

I'm guessing that's rare, but I've only once attempted submitting without cracking first. I crossed this card from SGC 6 to PSA 5, without cracking it out. Would it have scored higher if I had cracked it out first? Hard to say, but I wasn't willing to take the chance. And with this particular issue, the grade isn't particularly important anyway.

Yes, I've gotten bumps by keeping cards in their holders before. In both directions. It just depends on the card.

Yours might get a 6 from a different grader on a different day. There's a lot of variance, especially with PSA. They're looking at that top left corner and the registration misalignment. That's what is causing the 5. But some PSA graders will call it a 6. Just not as many as will call it a 5.