Slabbed/Graded and...

brianp-beme · #1 05-06-2010, 07:23 AM

Slabbed/Graded and...served on a silver platter:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1933-GOUDEY-BABE...item3a5a6ad0dc

The doily adds that extra bit of class missing in most ebay listings.

Brian

Jay Wolt · #2 05-06-2010, 07:28 AM

Seems that all his cards are presented the same way and slabbed by the unknown grading company.
Not a bad card in the batch, but scanned so small you can't tell if they are real.

1948 LEAF BABE RUTH #3 SLABBED/GRADED
Enlarge 1 Bid $300.00 5m

1933 GOUDEY LOU GEHRIG #160 SLABBED/GRADED
Enlarge 1 Bid $300.00 12m

1934 GOUDEY LOU GEHRIG #37 SLABBED/GRADED
Enlarge 1 Bid $300.00 18m

1938 GOUDEY JOE DI MAGGIO #250 SLABBED/GRADED
Enlarge 1 Bid $300.00 25m

1933 GOUDEY TY COBB SPORT KINGS #1 SLABBED/GRADED
Enlarge 0 Bids $300.00 30m

1933 GOUDEY JIM THORPE SPORT KINGS #6 SLABBED/GRADED
Enlarge 2 Bids $100.00 39m

1933 GOUDEY BABE RUTH #181 SLABBED/GRADED

T206Collector · #3 05-06-2010, 07:35 AM

How can anyone not see that these are obviously a scammer's fakes?

Unreal that there are bids.

Enterprising bidders deserve what they get here.......

iggyman · #4 05-06-2010, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Not a bad card in the batch, but scanned so small you can't tell if they are real.

He is going to have to make his pics a little smaller, because I can tell that "NONE" of his cards are real. They are all reprints.

Lovely Day...

T206Collector · #5 05-06-2010, 07:44 AM

...with significant feedback clocked in at $350+ on that Ruth. So, what is the game plan?

Bid in the hopes its real. If it's fake, demand money back or file a claim with PayPal and get money back? Maybe there is such little actual risk that it makes these kinds of bids worthwhile. But it seems like a headache for such little chance of a payoff.

Apparently people think that amazing deals can still be had on ebay....

3-2-count · #6 05-06-2010, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector

Apparently people think that amazing deals can still be had on ebay....

Amazing deals can definitely still be found on Ebay, but these don't fall into that group. Buyer beware in auctions such as this.... Yikes!!

glchen · #7 05-06-2010, 09:15 AM

I sent that seller an email asking for larger scans. The reply was:

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I'm sorry Gary, but we are with the grand kids at our cottage in Quebec and the cards are back home in Toronto.

We're heading back this Friday though

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Of course, the auction ended on Thursday, so I didn't bid.

T206DK · #8 05-06-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Seems that all his cards are presented the same way and slabbed by the unknown grading company.
Not a bad card in the batch, but scanned so small you can't tell if they are real.

1948 LEAF BABE RUTH #3 SLABBED/GRADED
Enlarge 1 Bid $300.00 5m

1933 GOUDEY LOU GEHRIG #160 SLABBED/GRADED
Enlarge 1 Bid $300.00 12m

1934 GOUDEY LOU GEHRIG #37 SLABBED/GRADED
Enlarge 1 Bid $300.00 18m

1938 GOUDEY JOE DI MAGGIO #250 SLABBED/GRADED
Enlarge 1 Bid $300.00 25m

1933 GOUDEY TY COBB SPORT KINGS #1 SLABBED/GRADED
Enlarge 0 Bids $300.00 30m

1933 GOUDEY JIM THORPE SPORT KINGS #6 SLABBED/GRADED
Enlarge 2 Bids $100.00 39m

1933 GOUDEY BABE RUTH #181 SLABBED/GRADED

This is your standard lineup for most flea market scammers. you can buy these exact cards pre-grouped at Cesar's Creek Flea market near me, or you can buy packages of 25,50, or 100 cards of each. The same seller has T206 fakes for sale the same way; groups of hall of famers or lots of 25,50,100 cards. It's a shame that so many bidders fall prey to these sellers. Most likely the seller will be refunding money to these buyers after paypal claims are filed against him. the Ebay seller RPSITEMS has had to refund money on a particular N172 fake at least 3 times since March. Also , look at her feedback for a good laugh. the guys that paid hundreds for her fake Ruths probably thought they had gotten a steal from Grandpa's collection...until they opened that envelope LOL !!!

T206Collector · #9 05-06-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by T206DK

The guys that paid hundreds for her fake Ruths probably thought they had gotten a steal from Grandpa's collection...until they opened that envelope LOL !!!

Perhaps somewhat ironically, these are the people that aggravate me the most. I take for granted that there are criminals out there, but the buyer in these instances thinks he's taking advantage of the seller, which to me is almost as bad. When he gets stuck holding a bag of worthless cardboard, it should be lesson learned for him.

T206Collector · #10 05-06-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 3-2-count

Amazing deals can definitely still be found on Ebay....

Really? I doubt it. Certainly not with anything that has the name "Ruth" or "Cobb" or "Wagner" in the ebay listing.

A few years ago, there was a very poorly categorized lot of cards that included the extremely rare AWH Caramel backs and a few HOF T206ers. The descriptions was something like "Lot of Old Baseball Cards" and it was mis-listed in something other than "baseball cards".

After the auction was over, this wound up being an almost "famous" lot which earned a lot of discussion. A number of AWH collectors found it even though it had been poorly listed and bid it up over $10,000. I learned from that that there are too many people who spend too much time looking for deals on ebay that they just don't happen anymore. It only takes 2 bidders to spoil the discount.

In fact, I defy anyone these days to find a valuable pre-war baseball card listed as an auction on ebay that sells for a fraction of its real market value.

T206DK · #11 05-06-2010, 10:49 AM

I had a similar experience with some older football cards I was bidding ononce. they were totally in the wrong category and were listed as old football cards. The seller had a 7 day auction I can remember, and by the 6th day only a handful of people had even looked at the auction according to his counter. I went to bed that night thinking my max bid was probably enough to win due to the condition of the cards ( fair-good), and that they were in the wrong category for cards. Some idiot outbid me and then another idiot outbid that guy. So they ended up paying almost $100 each for 5 cards from the 1935 Chicle set....no hall of famers or high numbers. I actually think I've seen those same cards for sale twice on ebay in the last year. 2 days later I won PSA graded versions of the same cards for around $35-$40 each in PSA 2 and 3.
I haven't found a deal on Ebay in over a year in reality. I just submitted an offer to 707sportscards for some cards that he has listed for 6 times what PSA's SMR has them listed for. If they accept any of my offers I will consider it a deal coming from 707sportscards.

glchen · #12 05-06-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by T206DK

I haven't found a deal on Ebay in over a year in reality. I just submitted an offer to 707sportscards for some cards that he has listed for 6 times what PSA's SMR has them listed for. If they accept any of my offers I will consider it a deal coming from 707sportscards.

Good luck with that. I once made best offers for 3-4 cards to 707 that were way above SMR. The counteroffer was $5 off each card. Whoa, what a deal!

T206DK · #13 05-06-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by glchen

Good luck with that. I once made best offers for 3-4 cards to 707 that were way above SMR. The counteroffer was $5 off each card. Whoa, what a deal!

I'm not holding out hope....let's just say that ! What gets me is that whoever owns 707 or responds to their emails considers it an insult if you offer them what the card is actually worth. my next message to them might simply be Have a nice day ...punk !!

4815162342 · #14 05-06-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by T206DK

I'm not holding out hope....let's just say that ! What gets me is that whoever owns 707 or responds to their emails considers it an insult if you offer them what the card is actually worth. my next message to them might simply be Have a nice day ...punk !!

His name is Levi, and I think he's a pretty nice guy. I also think he might own a T206 or two

http://www.psacard.com/SetRegistry/O...ts.aspx?m=2935

That being said, I've also had zero luck in making offers on his cards.

fkw · #15 05-06-2010, 01:12 PM

I wrote this clown on the first day these hit and explained to him what he had. They are all modern reprints.

Anthony S. · #16 05-06-2010, 01:20 PM

The silver platter and doily are nice touches. It's like being mugged by Jane Austen.

T206DK · #17 05-06-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 4815162342

His name is Levi, and I think he's a pretty nice guy. I also think he might own a T206 or two

http://www.psacard.com/SetRegistry/O...ts.aspx?m=2935

That being said, I've also had zero luck in making offers on his cards.

that's his entire stores inventory on the PSA set registry.....LOL. I have no problem with "Levi" making a profit on cards, but then there is such thing as gouging and I think charging $500 for a $70 card is just that.

4815162342 · #18 05-06-2010, 02:08 PM

Can you gouge on cards? I know you can on essential items such as gas, milk, and bread, but cards?

Just do like I do Dave, click "Auctions Only". I know it's tempting to make an offer on one of the "museum antiquities", but 99% of the time it will just make you upset.

steve B · #19 05-06-2010, 09:52 PM

I think there are still deals on Ebay, not as many as before, and not usually on tougher or more in demand stuff. It's pretty easy to pick up raw t206s that will grade reasonably well for less than what they'd go for graded. Not always, but once in a while. I've got a small batch I got waiting to be sent out.

And earlier this year I found a card poorly listed as something like 20's baseball card. Crummy tiny picture too but it was an R300, a beater like my others. Got it for $40, which I think is pretty good considering what the last reasonably nice one went for- around 1K for a nice VG, maybe slightly better.

Steve

ethicsprof · #20 05-06-2010, 09:59 PM

i barely look at ebay anymore.
bst is home for me.

best,
barry

CobbSpikedMe · #21 05-08-2010, 02:41 PM

This isn't exactly recent, but 2 or 3 years ago there was a very nice grouping of W553's which aren't exactly common cards. The group contained three different uncut strips including a Ruth and Gehrig. I don't remember what the final price was, but it was waaaaay lower than the cards are worth. They were in a scapbook and the winner soaked them out and presented them to the board in the following thread.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...highlight=w553

Perhaps he could repost the images if he sees this.

I was watching this lot and forgot to put a snipe on them. I was kicking myself for weeks!

Anyways, I definately think you can still find deals on eBay.

Best regards,

AndyH