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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: scott brockelman
All of these posts would have driven it to record lows. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: E, Daniel
...... lets get the heads of Enron out of jail and back in charge. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: JimCrandell
Lose money/change the hobby for the better--not a bad tradeoff. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: warshawlaw
Hit the nail on the nose. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: T206Collector
To me these posts have been nothing other than an acknowledgement that some significant portion of high grade collections may be suspect. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: scott brockelman
E. Daniel |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: DJ
Nothing is AT ALL laughable about what Scott wrote. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: Cobby33
Without pointing any fingers, I tend to agree with Scott. If there is a real, tangible problem, bring it out. But if you try too hard to find a problem where one may or may not exist, people are going to start believing it. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: leon
and there goes my big advertising dollars ... I was gonna get rich too. I think the time I put in trying to keep the integrity of the board (extremely difficult the last few days) works out to about $4.00 per hour...and that's after the banners start getting paid for. Honestly, I am considering not doing this anymore as I don't have the time. I can make more being a greedy,money grubbing wh*** somewhere else.... |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: JimCrandell
As with stocks, when they decline in price is often a good time to buy--which is what I expect to be doing in the December auctions. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: Cobby33
Give me a break. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: T206Collector
[Glad I am not holding any of those mid-grade T206s now.] |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Geez, I love my cards. The high-grade ones, the low-grade ones, the altered ones, the original ones, ALL of 'em. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: JimCrandell
Disagree--mid grade T206s have been dragged along by the incredible strength in prices of psa 8s. If psa 8s go lower so will the mid-grades. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: leon
I think I see a wrinkle that had a spoon taken to it in the upper left corner. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: Cobby33
BS. As I (and I believe Barry S.-if not- sorry) have pointed out, it's like comparing apples & oranges. Comparing PSA 8 T206's to PSA 4's and 5's is like comparing T206's to T214's. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: JimCrandell
Leon, |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: JimCrandell
Cobby, |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: T206Collector
It is like apples and oranges. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: Cobby33
Thinking that "honesty and integrity" will be pervasive in any billion-$ business is naive. There will always be scams, so why not address them on a case-by-case basis instead of creating some kind of pandemic scare????? |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: leon
I was only having a little fun. I need it. Honestly, very few of us have the same monetary concerns over very high grade cards as we don't collect too many of them. (By the way the number is around 20%.....give or take....from reliable sources....) |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: JimCrandell
Cobby, |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: scott brockelman
I confided in someone a few days ago that this may actually be a ploy on someones part to manipulate the market. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: barrysloate
Anybody tired of all this yet?...I'm a little worn around the corners myself. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: JimCrandell
Yup Scott--you win--I give up. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
I absolutely agree with Scott's insightful take on things. Jim couldn't possibly be motivated by genuine concern for the state of the hobby. Shame on you, Jim, for not revealing your true motives. You are as guilty as anyone else who has not made full disclosure. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: JimCrandell
Right again Peter and let me congratulate Scott again on his expert analysis--let my 24,000 PSA high grade cards go down in value so I can buy a few cheaper--brilliant!! |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- SCP Auctions closes tomorrow night. Those T206 are from an original find- I'll go long and bet they go through the roof. Nothing this board says or does will stop them. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: E, Daniel
...I must confess. I have one card in my vintage collection graded above an SGC50. Clearly my plans are to plunder the rest of you. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: DR
it would be safe to assume numerous 'dealers' would end up in JAIL! |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: T206Collector
...the notion of Jim taking a dive for personal gain is ludicrous. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: Dave
If from all this there happened to be enough of a fallout with high end cards....say PSA 8 T206's went from $1200-2500 to $300-400.....what would that entail do with the low end stuff that hasn't been tampered with? My PSA 1's, 2's, and 3's, while they are "cheap" and not a hit economically to many on the board...they would be a hit to me if they went from $25-$60 to $5-$20.....if the high end stuff ever falls, the low stuff has to follow. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: Dan Koteles
you are a millionheiress, doesnt mean that you can ruin it for others. Many rely on Auctions houses to buy other cards, pay bills ,buy their wife a new vehicle, etc...etc.... |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: JimCrandell
Ha Ha--good luck Dan--and I mean it---and I love the hobby. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: barrysloate
Dave- if PSA-8's go to $300-400 I'll take them all- unless Jim gets to them first. The fallout won't be that bad. There are a few nervous people out there, a few disillusioned, and a few fed up...but I'll still take all T206 PSA-8's at $400 a pop. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: Dave
It's not a slight, but I figured you would...you'd have the means to. Your not, I won't say young...your, already financially settled. I'm 30...my money after family and bills equates to a few T206's 2's here and there...I love them, and don't ever plan on getting rid of them....but, in emergency situations, when money is needed, it is unsettling to think the cards I'm spending $30 for now, I won't get but $10 for later.... |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: JimCrandell
Dave, |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: Bryan Long
What happened to collecting cards because you love collecting cards. I could care less what grading companies do, what the guy down the street does to his cards. I love my cards, will always love my cards and plan on selling my cards to buy more cards. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: Dave
I believe you...I was merely throwing a number out on 8's. I really have no clue other than the few that make it to ebay that I've seen (even those I haven't paid much attention to because what the use for me) |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: barrysloate
You're right Dave. I may be a lot of things, but young is not one of them...but I used to be young, just a long time ago. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: Dave
Again, wasn't a slight, I too hope to be older...lol |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: Dave
For me as a low end collector, I spend maybe $60 a week on average on a couple cards a week, there are some weeks I go a little stir crazy and will do $100-150, depending on what I've bought raw and got graded and stuck back on ebay because I"m not interested in them. Auction houses have no effect on me....the majority of what they have is high end stuff anyway and I cant compete to begin with, ebay and B/S/T is the only source of buying cards for me. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: T206Collector
Pop 1s--$6,000-$6,500 |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Heck, T206, collecting BASEBALL CARDS is irrational, for crying out loud. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: scott brockelman
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: JimCrandell
Scott, |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: barrysloate
Allow me to summarize my feelings: the pallor that has clouded this board since Doug Allen made his admission has been simply staggering, and the bad feelings that have arisen are truly demoralizing. Frankly, I don't know why I am still here. But the fact is, no matter how much chatter circulates from post to post, when the sun rises tomorrow it will still be business as usual. I have known for years that altered and restored cards have made their way into holders, so none of this is news to me. I don't think I could even tell the difference between a genuine PSA-8 and a retouched one. But the market is not going to collapse because of posts made on this board. The hobby is bigger than us. We can be an engine for change, but we won't cause a market this large to fall. If some are fed up and want to sell their collections, there will be somebody out there eager to buy it. I think these discussions have gone as far as they can; some dealers have come forth stating their views, a few have gotten into pissing matches with each other, and others refused to engage with this angry mob. I don't think it will accomplish anything to rehash this all over- we all know we have to watch our rear ends when we make a purchase, and that not everything is what it appears to be. How about we call a moratorium on all this stuff and get back to business. Either the hobby is fun, or it's not worth it. And the board in the last few days has been a really depressing place to be. I think we've hit the proverbial wall. |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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If this were the stockmarket..............
Posted By: scott brockelman
I can't imagine why there is even a need for a "Plan". It doesn't seem we need a conspiracy theorist to unravel this mystery. What few "bad" cards that may be located in slabs should be removed from the slab and marked as such. A further advancement of alteration detection equipment by the grading companies should be able to counteract much of the future alterations. Again I am talking about trims, colors, rebuilds, etc. Cards which have had pencil erased or traces of such or corners laid back down, should just be graded accordingly. |
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