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Old 02-07-2023, 12:09 PM
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Default St. Louis 1915/16 Uniform question?

Is there an easy way to tell if this is a picture of Fielder Jones in his 1914/1915 St. Louis Terriers uniform, or a later St. Louis Browns uniform?

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Old 02-07-2023, 12:12 PM
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Browns?

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Old 02-07-2023, 12:18 PM
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Thanks. That's what I was leaning towards, but I've seen a number of pictures of him in this top labeled as Federal League....
Guess I'll be extra careful.
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Thanks. That's what I was leaning towards, but I've seen a number of pictures of him in this top labeled as Federal League....
Guess I'll be extra careful.
But suppose it's possible those jerseys were similar. Would have to search for photos of the Federal League jerseys.
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Old 02-07-2023, 01:23 PM
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Here are a few others. They look like from the same time period.....the question is which year. I'm still leaning to them being post-Federal League, regardless of how they've been labeled.



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Old 02-07-2023, 01:51 PM
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According to Marc Okkonen's work, the St. Louis Terriers did not spell out St. Louis on their uniforms in 1914, instead using the StL logo, and only spelled it out on the roadies for 1915, which were dark with white lettering. Also note that the Terriers used pinstripes, but the Browns did not.

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Old 02-07-2023, 02:03 PM
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Here is what Fielder Jones looked like in his Terriers' uniform:

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I've pasted below an image of Jones in the StL home uniform, and a group photo of the Terriers in the dark road uniform.

Edited to add: This is the 1914 home uniform. See post #10 for the 1915 home uniform.
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Ok thanks everyone. I had thought that was the case, but saw so many claiming these outfits were from the Terriers's years. Thanks again for all your time.
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I am reviving this year-old thread to correct the record. The home uniform indicated for the St. Louis Terriers in 1915 by Marc Okkonen is incorrect. The Terriers had a nearly all-white uniform, without pinstripes, as seen below on second baseman Bobby Vaughn and pitcher Eddie Plank:
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More examples of the Terriers 1915 uniform
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I am reviving this year-old thread to correct the record. The home uniform indicated for the St. Louis Terriers in 1915 by Marc Okkonen is incorrect. The Terriers had a nearly all-white uniform, without pinstripes, as seen below on second baseman Bobby Vaughn and pitcher Eddie Plank:
I found a photo on the website for the Missouri Historical Society (https://mohistory.org/collections/item/N40472), a portion of which I am showing here, of action at a Terriers game. The player in the foreground has no stripes, while you can see the StL on the pitcher, but no Federal League patch on the sleeve, which I thought was a feature of the 1914 uniform. Any idea what season this would be from? Is there a chance this could be from 1913?
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I'm not convinced it's a Federal League uniform at all. Looks like a Browns uniform, although admittedly it is blurry.
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I'm not convinced it's a Federal League uniform at all. Looks like a Browns uniform, although admittedly it is blurry.
Agreed; it appears to be the St. Louis Browns home uniform 1911-1914.

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