Card doctoring...

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jimjim

While I have been in the hobby for over 30 years, I am a born-again card collector. I haven’t seriously collected cards since the early 1990s. During my break from cards, I focused on autographs and memorabilia. When I started collecting cards again last year, I started to buy graded cards not because I like them, but because I was looking for the security of them not been altered. This thread is extremely depressing to me. I really don’t care if the card is graded or not, as I just want a nice looking card. I actually prefer raw cards, because that is how I collected as a youngster. I mainly buy graded cards for financial security in case somebody has to sell them in the future from my family. I don’t want them to get ripped off. If the market comes tumbling down, then I guess it was all for not!

My guess is it won't come tumbling down anytime soon. Chances are they will need to get then into the latest greatest slab though.

I feel way safer buying raw cards. With the Mexican guy with the fake cards in PSA slabs, the cracked and resealed PSA slabs, and the fact it is harder to actually see/inspect the card through the layer of plastic.

Another twist to this card doctoring thread. Like Scott I have experimented with sending a bad card to the grading companies, has anybody else and would you share the results?

Here are mine, I send the same counterfeit card to the big 3.
Beckett-Rejected on only attempt.
SGC-Rejected on all 3 attemps
PSA-Slabbed on all 5 attempts.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

My guess is it won't come tumbling down anytime soon. Chances are they will need to get then into the latest greatest slab though.

I feel way safer buying raw cards. With the Mexican guy with the fake cards in PSA slabs, the cracked and resealed PSA slabs, and the fact it is harder to actually see/inspect the card through the layer of plastic.

Another twist to this card doctoring thread. Like Scott I have experimented with sending a bad card to the grading companies, has anybody else and would you share the results?

Here are mine, I send the same counterfeit card to the big 3.
Beckett-Rejected on only attempt.
SGC-Rejected on all 3 attemps
PSA-Slabbed on all 5 attempts.

I hope it wasn't a Jordan RC.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bnorth

My guess is it won't come tumbling down anytime soon. Chances are they will need to get then into the latest greatest slab though.

I feel way safer buying raw cards. With the Mexican guy with the fake cards in PSA slabs, the cracked and resealed PSA slabs, and the fact it is harder to actually see/inspect the card through the layer of plastic.

Another twist to this card doctoring thread. Like Scott I have experimented with sending a bad card to the grading companies, has anybody else and would you share the results?

Here are mine, I send the same counterfeit card to the big 3.
Beckett-Rejected on only attempt.
SGC-Rejected on all 3 attemps
PSA-Slabbed on all 5 attempts.

Beckett and SGC are very good at grading pre-war and vintage. PSA, not so much, imo. Most of that has to do with experience of the vintage graders....again, imo.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

Beckett and SGC are very good at grading pre-war and vintage. PSA, not so much, imo. Most of that has to do with experience of the vintage graders....again, imo.

Many people report Beckett grades, or at least has graded, sheet cut cards.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Many people report Beckett grades, or at least has graded, sheet cut cards.

Yes, and the earth used to be considered flat too. I have had lengthy discussions about those sheet cuts. To me that particular incident doesn't take away from them having one of the best vintage graders in the business and consistently grading cards correctly when others won't or can't. Again, just my experience.

[Peter_Spaeth]

We had this discussion a while back.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...hlight=beckett

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Many people report Beckett grades, or at least has graded, sheet cut cards.

I thought at one time they openly acknowledged grading sheet cut cards? I have no problem with it, just as long as they state it on their website. I just looked, but couldn't find it.

[murphy8276]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I thought at one time they openly acknowledged grading sheet cut cards? I have no problem with it, just as long as they state it on their website. I just looked, but couldn't find it.

I am not sure Leon and you are referring to the same thing, otherwise I am confused as well. People send them all the time and they are slabbed so not sure where they stopped ever. I know for certain the Bird Magic sheet cuts get holdered there to this day.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by murphy8276

I am not sure Leon and you are referring to the same thing, otherwise I am confused as well. People send them all the time and they are slabbed so not sure where they stopped ever. I know for certain the Bird Magic sheet cuts get holdered there to this day.

I was referring to a card cut from a sheet outside the factory, as what I think you're referring to with the Bird Magic card.

I've never cut a sheet. But if the same tools and methods are employed in someone's basement as they use at the factory, how is any grading company supposed to distinguish between a sheet cut card and a factory cut card if you can't tell the difference (ie the grain of the cut)?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I was referring to a card cut from a sheet outside the factory, as what I think you're referring to with the Bird Magic card.

I've never cut a sheet. But if the same tools and methods are employed in someone's basement as they use at the factory, how is any grading company supposed to distinguish between a sheet cut card and a factory cut card if you can't tell the difference (ie the grain of the cut)?

You can't tell the difference of time "when" a card is hand cut. Ask a grader.