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Posted By: warshawlaw
FYI, Bob Luce, SGC Senior Grader, in his interview with SGC Magazine stated that the best a card with a pinhole or back writing will ever grade with them is a 30 (g). He was less clear on paper loss, which he said would vary in its effect depending on severity. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Doug- I've always felt that the prose style in your catalog is clumsy and much too busy. In most cases, many of the sentences are convoluted and difficult to understand. I taught college English for three years. If you handed in a paper written that way, you would be staying after school cleaning blackboard erasers. Ever thought about streamlining that writing style a little? Most lots don't need dozens of adjectives, especially when half the time they are not even used properly. |
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Posted By: gary nuchereno
Doug, The fact of the matter is that many collectors differentiate between cards that have been graded poor to fair because of multiple creases and rounded corners versus cards that have been graded poor to fair because of paper loss or writing on them. The fact that many collectors feel that way should be enough for auction houses to be more specific regarding poor to fair lots. |
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Posted By: Doug Allen
I would agree if the entire lot is fair to poor. In that case go to the Cobb, Mathewson, Johnson, HOF, rarities so you can picture and describe them. My example was a lot for which 72% of the lot and 95% of the value was VG or better. In that case I don't believe it is necessary to provide detailed images or descriptions of each card. |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
that Doug comes on to respond. That's a stand up act..... |
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Posted By: Jim Clarke
I think all auction companies should be as detailed as possible. In the old days when they had to use catalogs, you could not always show photos of the entire lot both fronts and backs. Now with the internet around, they can show 100 photos per lot if they want to online. Maybe in a large group of lower grade items they could just take one photo of ALL the cards with their backs facing up. I know a buddy of mine did not bid on a postcard lot that recently closed in auction because it did not show a photo of the back (which has markings on it). Any blank back cards might not be as important to show unless there is damage. Plus auction companies should know how picky us collectors are... |
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Posted By: leon
I have been told I probably shouldn't post in these kinds of threads with advertisers mentioned. I do a lot of things I am told I shouldn't do, none unethical (imo, ), and that's just my personality. I honestly try to call it the way I see it and let the chips fall where they may. Sometimes I am wrong but most times I don't think I am. First of all it takes some real gumption (is that a word?) for an auction house President to come on the board and post. Doug (hi Doug) is a stand up guy for that. Most wouldn't do it. No matter what you say he has come on the board when most others won't. I think he gets a lot of credit for that. When I said there was a board rule about posting emails on the board it was unwritten. Now it's written and a part of the Forum Rules. I can now take care of these things when I see them and point to the rules. I already mentioned I am hyper sensitive to the "thought of protecting" advertisers and I will try to work on that in the future. I still won't (can't) protect them but I will try to stick to the forum rules as they are a good baseline to go from. Here's a suggestion that could, potentially, appease a lot of folks. Maybe the auction houses, Mastro included, could have the dissertation about a card be in the first paragraph(s) of the description and the actual description of the card itself be in a 2-4 sentence paragraph right below, with a few spaces between it and the above flowery stuff? That way when I want to read the stuff that is sometimes superfluous I can, and when I don't want to, I can skip to the bottom and only read the pertinent details of the actual characterisitcs of the item(s). Barry asked me this morning if I ever read all that stuff in the descriptions and I told him that, if it's an item that interests me, I usually do. I believe this format would help everyone.....Thanks again to Doug for coming on the board when most others won't step up. best regards |
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Posted By: Jason L
and it is terribly relevant as I was perusing the Huggins & Scott catalog that I just got last night....alot of fun if you have time, but also alot of effort required to read the long paragraphs and find the single-card detailed info that I am looking for... |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Right on, Dan. |
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Posted By: Chad
More and bigger scans. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
You know, that box with the three catalogs in it is getting heavier and heavier to carry up the stairs. Less words means less pages. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Barry, |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Yankee pizza would be thin crust. That goop in a pan in Chicago is White Sox pizza. |
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Posted By: Joann
Good call Leon. After reading your post I realized that on ebay I go right past the bs about how many hits a player had and look for the card description. I wonder if the auction houses would devote the page space to that kind of thing. |
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Posted By: Jack Richards
Apparently I'm in the minority, but I think the flowery language is great! I love it!!! |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
well written flowery language can be a pleasure to read. Badly written flowery language is painful to read. Unfortunately, much of the fluff in auction catalogs is of the latter variety. |
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Posted By: Dylan
When i get an auction catalog id prefer to have just the relevent info. Card name, year, perhaps a mention of pop report. I think most who are flipping through these catalogs are familier with the material, atleast the cards. Put a pic of the back of the card on the page instead of that paragraph of fluff talk. |
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Posted By: Doug Allen
I have been reading and do appreciate your feedback. Let me comment. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Doug- the historical background is extremely useful and I agree by saving the catalog you are, in that sense, preserving a great reference tool. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
What Doug just said makes sense. |
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Posted By: Doug Allen
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Okay- let me rephrase and give credit where it is due. |
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Posted By: Doug Allen
Hey Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Fair enough. I just wrote something, saw your comment, and per your request deleted it. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Doug, I think the final point is that Mastro has the best cards at auction. No question in my mind. And I can't criticize some of the marketing you do as I'm sure you have an idea what works and what doesn't to bring in dollars. But for the buyers of the high end cards in your auctions, the cards pretty much sell themselves. I'd appreciate a catalogue with less flowery praise (maybe a limit of 9 adjectives and adverbs per entry) and a website with scans of the cards that can be blown up and reviewed carefully. Huggins & Scott's current auction has the best scans I have ever seen on an auction site. Mastro's are vastly improved as well. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Let's start with lot 1 of the most recent auction. The description reads in part: |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Adam- I emailed Doug a similar example as he asked me to take this off the board. Hopefully, he will look at them and at least address the issue with the writing staff. |
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Posted By: Steve
Is it really expected that the description of a GD card needs much more than that. |
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Posted By: JK
Re Adam's Rewrites: |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
It's true. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
I'm so happy with my first grade education - I see the pictures - I know what the front of the card is.... I know what the back of the card is... Pictures.... pictures.... and nothing more than 2 syllables in the description please.... I realize that dictionary dot com is only a key stroke away but please don't make me use it... |
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Posted By: Brian
My bottom line: |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
But I don't wanna be a pirate! |
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Posted By: Jack Richards
As I mentioned earlier, I love the flowery language. It's interesting; it's not hurting anyone; and it's Mastronet's catalogue, not ours. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I agree different mediums will employ different styles; an auction catalog does not have to be written the way one might write a Master's thesis. Nevertheless, it still needs to be clear, especially when there is a lot of money at stake. A bidder wouldn't want to regret a purchase because he had trouble understanding the lot description. |
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Posted By: Brian
I disagree that a scan is all you need. How many times have you obtained a card that had defects not obvious in a scan (I know I have)? Let's face it, it's pretty easy to hide things depending upon how you scan the card. That forces the potential buyer to ask lots of questions usually.....which could all be avoided if some of the flowery language were replaced with an unvarnished description. |
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Posted By: Steve
It is all figured in. They (sellers) figure a certain pct. will slide through. That buyers will just accept the item and live with the flaw(s) that were not mentioned. Those that dare to attempt a refund or reduction in cost will jump through a few hoops first. My statement is regarding sellers in general and no auction house in particular. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
My number one rule for auction descriptions is if the description is accurate, it's accurate. If what you say is true and what you believe, there's no need to apologize. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I have absolutely no problem whatosever with detailed, and even flowery auction descriptions. Even if sometimes that means that the description is slightly grammatically incorrect, in its effort to be flowery. |
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