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View Poll Results: Who would you select to the HOF?
Bert Blyleven 116 56.86%
Roberto Alomar 111 54.41%
Jack Morris 54 26.47%
Barry Larkin 56 27.45%
Lee Smith 45 22.06%
Edgar Martinez 33 16.18%
Tim Raines 48 23.53%
Rafael Palmiero 24 11.76%
Jeff Bagwell 61 29.90%
Larry Walker 21 10.29%
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Please choose who you would select to the HOF in 2011. You can pick multiple players.

10 was the most I could choose for the poll, I tried to choose the best 10 candidates...sorry if I left anyone off you wanted to vote for.

Edited: Mispelled Palmeiro in original poll...woopsie
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Thanks Rob, I'll fold the first hand to you in poker next month.

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No prob Rawn...I won't hold my breath on that one...hehe
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I just realized I have Jack Morris there twice...I need some coffee...ugh...was supposed to be Tim Raines....
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Really I will the first, but not the last.

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Since this has some wide spread interest I took the liberty of moving it to the front page....regards

Rob- I also fixed your mistake, took the 1 vote in the 2nd Morris box and added it to the 1st Morris box and made Raines an option....hope that helps...I love this new s/w
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Interesting poll. Through the first 35 votes, no one is getting in this year!
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I don't think anyone will get in this year either!

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I wouldn't vote for any of them. The Hall of Fame has been watered down enough in the past decade or so.
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I voted for Blyleven, but only because "none of the above" was not an option.
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Spitting at Hirschbeck after being called Out at third. Should keep Alomar locked out for life. IMO
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Actually it was a called 3rd Strike.
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Bert should be money. His was a tough man on the mound, but was not saddled up on very strong teams. His K's are pretty nice over the span of a career.
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None. I would vote for Robby Alomar eventually but he doesn't quite seem first-or-second ballot worthy. Blyleven to me is a very good pitcher who just, but definitely, falls short. Tommy John, Jim Kaat, Luis Tiant, etc.
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I am going to vote for the only guy on the list who has a MLB Award named after him...Edgar Martinez.
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No McGwire???
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Ooohhh, then let him in!
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Edgar Martinez was the best hitter I have ever seen in my life. The fact that he played DH really should not matter because had he played 50 years ago he would have just stayed at third where he started and been an average fielder and then we would not even be having this talk.
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Besides Palmiero, do any other players on this list raise suspicion of steroid use?

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Maybe I shouldn't be, but I am a little suspicious of Bagwell.
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He swears no, but "c'mon man."
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I tend to agree with Phil, the HOF is watered down enough. None of the above.
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Edgar Martinez was the best hitter I have ever seen in my life. The fact that he played DH really should not matter because had he played 50 years ago he would have just stayed at third where he started and been an average fielder and then we would not even be having this talk.
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When was the last year that NO ONE was elected to the Baseball Hall of fame??
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Soooooo, how is it that putting Bagwell and Martinez in the Hall would be watering it down? Sorry, but DH has been an official position in the American League for over 30 years now. Are we going to keep all pitchers out because they can't hit well? As for Bagwell, does anyone have proof he did steroids? I haven't seen any. As far as I can tell, he was pretty consistent...and I'll tell you what, I believe with PID's he could have hit 60-70 homeruns easy.
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Even if nobody is elected by the writers, Pat Gillick is going in this year. The years where nobody went in were 1940,41,43,50,58 and 60.
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Bert Blyleven will get in this year.
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I actually think they should start having ballots for players in who should be removed! Anyone have some names for that list?
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Twenty-four percent for Barry Larkin? This is a tough crowd. He's a Hall of Famer, hands down ...
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Twenty-four percent for Barry Larkin? This is a tough crowd. He's a Hall of Famer, hands down ...
How's Larkin a "hands down" HOFer? Career .295 Ave., I think he only won 3 Gold Gloves (I know he went up against Ozzie every year) and he won 1 MVP.

He is very good, but the Hall of Fame "should" be reserved for the best of the best.

Do we want the "Hall of Very Good"?
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How's Larkin a "hands down" HOFer? Career .295 Ave., I think he only won 3 Gold Gloves (I know he went up against Ozzie every year) and he won 1 MVP.

He is very good, but the Hall of Fame "should" be reserved for the best of the best.

Do we want the "Hall of Very Good"?
I'd vote for Larkin in a heartbeat. During the 20 year span in which he played, there was not another shortstop who put up offensive numbers even remotely close to Larkin's. Plus, he won an MVP, was a 12-time All Star, was Team Captain, and led the Reds to a World Champioship in 1990 (no small accomplishment for that team, in that era).

Bill James ranks Larkin as the #6 Shortstop of all-time. Unfortunately, the small market thing will probably kill his chances... If he played for NY or Boston, he'd be a shoe-in.

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I guess Dale Murphy and Fred McGriff are not going to make it. Too bad.
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Honestly, I didn't do any research, and have admittedly not kept up with very much "new" baseball in the last 25 yrs, but Blyleven was my only vote.
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Blyleven 287 Wins, 242 Complete games, 3701 Strikeouts, 60 Shutouts. Im not saying hes a top ten all time pitcher but he wouldnt be near the worst pitcher in there. Also anyone who doesnt think Alamor deserves in needs to compare his stats to other 2nd baseman that are in, he compares favorably to almost all of them.

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Some arguments for Bert.

Blyleven is 5th all time in strikeouts (3701)...the top 14 in strikeouts are all in the HOF except:

Randy Johnson (Future 1st ballot HOF)
Roger Clemens (1st Ballot if not for cheating)
Greg Maddux (Future 1st ballot HOF)
Pedro Martinez (Future 1st ballot HOF)

He is 27th all time in Wins (287) playing on some awful teams (20 of the 26 in front are in the HOF and 3 are mentioned above).

He is 9th all time in shutouts with an amazing 60, everyone else in the top 20 is in the HOF.

Postseason record 5-1 with a 2.47 ERA and a key part of two WS teams.
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For those who don't consider Barry Larkin worthy of the Hall of Fame, can you come up with 10 shortstops who were better? Also, is the Hall of Fame big enough for one of the best 10 shortstops in history? Bill James ranks him sixth and he's the best baseball numbers guy of all. So to all of Larkin's detractors, I challenge you to prove to me ... with a comparative statistical analysis and not simply opinions ... why Larkin isn't worthy of the Hall of Fame.

Induction into the Hall of Fame should be based not on perceptions, allegiances and myths, but on hard numbers that take into account all the factors (dead ball vs. live ball, size of ballparks, etc.) that skew statistics. Sadly, while James and others have done the work, only a small percentage of baseball fans have even noticed. As a result, the debate goes on, but at the same time, it goes nowhere ...
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Average season: 14-12, 3.31. He never won a Cy Young or even came in second. He made two all star teams. He is not blowing me away as a Hall of Fame pick.
Nolan Ryan never won a Cy Young award or came in 2nd and his average season was 14-13 with a 3.19 ERA.
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I don't think someone should get in for longevity stats alone unless maybe for cracking a magic barrier like 3000 hits or 300 wins. To me a HOFer not only should have great career stats but should, for a reasonable number of years (say 5-7 minimum), have been one of the best players at his position or pitchers in the game. Two all star teams does not say that to me about Blyleven. His status suggest longevity only.
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For those who don't consider Barry Larkin worthy of the Hall of Fame, can you come up with 10 shortstops who were better? Also, is the Hall of Fame big enough for one of the best 10 shortstops in history? Bill James ranks him sixth and he's the best baseball numbers guy of all. So to all of Larkin's detractors, I challenge you to prove to me ... with a comparative statistical analysis and not simply opinions ... why Larkin isn't worthy of the Hall of Fame.

Induction into the Hall of Fame should be based not on perceptions, allegiances and myths, but on hard numbers that take into account all the factors (dead ball vs. live ball, size of ballparks, etc.) that skew statistics. Sadly, while James and others have done the work, only a small percentage of baseball fans have even noticed. As a result, the debate goes on, but at the same time, it goes nowhere ...

Chris,

I always respect your arguments and your passion for the Larkin argument. I just don't think of him as a HOFer, and here are some reasons why:

He had an injury riddled career...he only played 140 games or more in a season 7 times. If he was able to stay on the field more, his stats would probably look much better but we can't factor those lost stats in.

Only hit more than 20HR twice, 100runs twice, never had a 100RBI season.

2340 career hits is excellent, but for a non-power guy doesn't strike me as HOF material.

379 SB and 3 Gold Gloves is good but not enough of a factor IMO to add with his offense to get him in.

I am sure you have many arguments for and I respect them, and that is why I love these kind of debates.

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Alomar a definite, Blyleven, best of the rest IMHO
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