PALMEIRO SUSPENDED FOR STEROIDS

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Posted By: PHISHERMAN

No, you are not in denial. I think we may be rushing to judgement a bit because baseball hasn't identified the substance he tested positive for, but since he adamantly denied steroid use in his statement, we can infer that that is what he tested + for. What an idiot he is if it is true...

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Posted By: Daniel Bretta

I believe every word that Jose Canseco put into that book regarding others taking steroids. If it were false we would see numerous lawsuits for libel. Bo Jackson was accused of using steroids by some small California paper and he threatened a lawsuit against them and the paper retracted. Thus far not a single player named by Canseco has threatened a libel suit against him.....that speaks volumes to me.

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Posted By: Damian

Why sue Canseco? He has no significant assets. If one sued him it would just draw attention and that is what he wants.

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Posted By: Daniel Bretta

You sue to clear your name not to get rich. You make Jose Canseco publicly retract the comments he made about you in the book. The only reason they're not suing is because it's true. Palmeiro tests positive - check, McGwire all but admits to steroid use in front of Congress - check, Ivan Rodriguez shows up to spring training 25 pounds lighter than he was last year - check. I know that Canseco is a jerk, but have any of these guys given any reason as to why he's lying? None that I've seen.

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Posted By: Max Weder

From a posting on SABR-L

"The list of banned substances are outlined in the 2002-2006 Basic Agreement under the heading JOINT DRUG PREVENTION AND TREATMENT PROGRAM (search for pages 168-195 with Adobe Acrobat from the link provided below).

The list of steroids is provided on page 171, and is as follows:

1. Boldenone
2. Chlorotestosterone (4-chlorotestosterone)
3. Clostebol
4. Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone
5. Dihydrotestosterone (4-dihydrotestosterone)
6. Drostanolone
7. Ethylestrenol
8. Fluxymesterone
9. Formebulone (formebolone)
10. Mesterolone
11. Methandienone
12. Methandranone
13. Methandriol
14. Methandrostenolone
15. Methenolone
16. Methyltestosterone
17. Mibolerone
18. Nandrolone
19. Norethandrolone
20. Oxandrolone
21. Oxymesterone
22. Oxymethelone
23. Stanolone
24. Stanozolol
25. Testolactone
26. Testosterone
27. Trenbolone

Other substances tested for include Ethanol (Alcohol), Cocaine Metabolites, Opiates/Metabolites, Phencyclidine (PCP), Cannabinoids.

The group of substances listed as "Schedule I" substances that are tested for are outlined on pages 189-194 of the Basic Agreement and listed as Addendum C. This is a large listing that has DEA numbers attached to each in the list.

To view the Basic Agreement you will need Adobe Acrobat. It can be view here:

http://www.businessofbaseball.com/docs/2002_2006basicagreement.pdf

Thanks,
Maury Brown
Co-Chair
SABR Business of Baseball committee
http://www.businessofbaseball.com"

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Posted By: Brent Butcher

Since it seems most stories about Palmeiro are leaving this out....Stanozolol(Winstrol) can stay in your system for 18 months so this might be a result of use in the past. It is a potent anabolic steroid but will not put much water weight on you and therefore Palmeiro could stay relatively the same size while on this drug. It does increase red blood cell count which helps with stamina and endurance so this could be the benifit he was after.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

Between the ingrate cheater junkie athletes who treat fans like crap and lie to Congress (of course, lying and Congress are somewhat related concepts), the greedy owners who knowingly field crap teams while jacking up prices on everything, and bad television coverage , I've stopped watching baseball entirely this year. I follow two teams: Yankees and Dodgers. The Yankees are soulless hacks. The Dodgers have been decimated in the interests of signing risky players who are willing to back-load salaries so that McCourt can refi his purchase price and then develop the land adjacent to the stadium. As far as tv goes, memo to Bud and Fox: I don't want to see up a player's nose, the manager looking bored or some idiot fan's reactions to what is happening on the field; ever hear of showing the field, you idiots?

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Posted By: Josh K.

It should also be pointed out that if he was caught with Stanozolol in his system, it virually eliminates the "I didnt know" defense. even if you want to believe that a professional athlete didnt know what he was putting into his system, that excuse doesnt hold water since Stanozolol reportedly is not found in any dietary supplements.

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Posted By: R. Cook

Bonds not playing this season is smelling more fishy each day.
Knee injury? Yeah right!

Hank Aaron should be the one publicly calling for Bonds retirement.



Btw, how much do we need to substract from Sammy Sosa's numbers adding corked bats to his steroid use?

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Posted By: J Levine

Let me first say that I do believe steriods should be banned. I think the damage done by dangerous drugs goes beyond the athletes and can be found all the way into grade school these days.

Second, steroids in baseball rarely favor the player. Yes, it makes you stronger and lets you hit more homeruns but as anyone who played the game for any amount of time knows, it is bat speed and hand eye-coordination. Muscle mass does not translate into homeruns...Ted Williams was always correct when he said that the bat speed is the key to hitting homeruns.

It is also ridiculous to compare pictures of athletes in their twenties to athletes in their mid-30s...human metabolism slows down as you age and nearly everyone puts on weight...many of us would love to be at the weight we were at in college (myself included). In athletes, that weight can be translated to muscle mass with training, etc. Is Shaq on steriods? Was Charles Barkley? Agassi? Arnold Palmer (although golf is barely a sport)? Dan Marino? Joe Montana? Clemens? Ryan? They all put on weight as their career progressed.

I am more concered with Palmerio and others (possibly) lying. Come clean and admit you did it. Tell the world it was wrong. Tell them the negative effects. Be a champion for turning your life around. Maybe I will vote you into the HOF.

My opinions.

Joshua

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Posted By: identify7

As always, times are different now. Baseball has a much greater impact on kids and adults than it formerly did, because in part your child could earn serious income, even from just his signature!

So the pressure is on to excel. Professional training on all aspects of the game is readily available to pre-teens, and is used by more than the most affluent families. Parents are gambling that their child will hit it big in baseball. In many cases the money spent on sports training of children is better spent on lottery tickets.

So yes, there are steroids and other tools used by grade schoolers to excel, most often under their parents ill advised monitoring.

Do I think that the actions of big league players have an impact on the acceptability of steroids to parents and children? Yes, I do. But I think that the behavior of big leaguers has less of an impact than the rationale "if you take this drug you may make $10 million per year; if you don't take it - you won't".

I wish that kids could be kids longer, but they now have to face many more sophisticated decisions than I ever had to, at their age.

This type of pressure includes far more areas of potential achievement than just baseball, but those considerations are clearly OT.

This is my opinion only.
Gil

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Posted By: Tom

I was under the impression that this forum was only for the discussion of vintage baseball cards. What gives with this modern day event about steroids and all these names? We can say what ever we want to say about these modern day players, but there is only TWO TRUE HOME RUN HITTER THAT IS HANK AARON & BABE RUTH! FORGET THE REST THESE TWO ARE STILL THE BEST!

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Posted By: leon

If you click on that little link at the top that says "FAQ's" you will see that this sort of stuff is permitted by board participants, occasionally....As for home run hitters I agree with you.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

Willie Mays, Frank Robinson, Ted Williams and Jimmy Foxx deserve top billing too.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

The inherent problem with MLB's 10 day penalty is that steroids stay in the body for weeks to over six months. In other words, MLB's system okays players to play baseball while on steroids and while retaining the physical benefits they gained from steroids (The benefits don't evaporate in 10 days).

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Well, they could test him again and suspend him again....

Selig wants a 50 game (day?) suspension for the first offense... this could be a very good reason for that request by Selig...

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Posted By: Bob Rousseau

well, I'll go out on a limb and say that Ken Griffey Jr was also a pure HR hitter and were it not for his injuries, his numbers would reflect it. Otherwise, I think A-Rod is pretty pure and may in fact be the next one to go the distance if Bonds flares out. And I don't take a lot of joy in saying that, cause I can'ts stands A-Rod.

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Posted By: identify7

Steroids? Never!

He is in a (slow motion) race with Sosa for who can stumble to 600HRs first.

He certainly would cheat against Sosa.

Edited to add:

That was an unintentional typo. I meant to say: wouldn't Wow. That was really unintentional.