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05-27-2021, 07:49 AM
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T205 All Hall of Fame Tobacco Brand Team
If you collect 1911 T205 Gold Borders then you probably know there are 11 different tobacco brand backs...American Beauty, Broad Leaf, Cycle, Drum, Hassan, Hindu, Honest Long Cut, Piedmont, Polar Bear, Sovereign and Sweet Caporal.
It is quite a feat for a T205 collector to assemble the subset of 11 backs for this set as the Drum and Hindu backs are extremely rare. Well how about a T205 subset of 11 different Hall of Famers each with a different example of those 11 tobacco brand backs. When you consider there are only 3 confirmed T205 Hall of Famers with a Drum or Hindu back it would seem to be impossible. The only confirmed T205 Hall of Famer with a Drum back is Mordecai Brown. The only 2 confirmed T205 Hall of Famers with Hindu backs are Hugh Duffy and Walter Johnson. I doubt the combined card total of all Brown Drum back (SGC pop 4, PSA pop ?), Johnson Hindu back (SGC pop 1, PSA pop ?) and Duffy Hindu back (as far as I know I have the only one confirmed to date) would be more than 20-25 cards. So in order for someone else to assemble a T205 back subset of Hall of Famers they would currently need to have a Drum back of Brown AND a Hindu back of Johnson. If we add to that the extra condition of assembling a complete position team of 9...with an extra pitcher and manager in order to fill out the 11 different brand backs...certainly that is not possible, right? Well, I have that T205 subset...and it is very likely the only one that exists. I present to you The T205 All Hall of Fame Tobacco Brand Team (8 position players, 2 pitchers and a manager) with each card representing an example of the 11 different tobacco brand backs. Who should be the starting pitcher...Chief Bender or 3 Finger Brown? American Beauty - Chief Bender RHP Philadelphia A's SGC 1140486-010 60 EX 5 Broad Leaf - Zach Wheat OF Brooklyn Superbas Ungraded Cycle - Joe Tinker SS Chicago Cubs PSA 05053003 EX 5 Drum - Mordecai Brown RHP Chicago Cubs PSA 04375885 PR-FR 1 Hassan - Roger Bresnahan C St. Louis Cardinals mouth open Ungraded Hindu - Hugh Duffy MGR Chicago White Sox Ungraded Honest Long Cut - Ty Cobb OF Detroit Tigers Ungraded Piedmont - Frank Baker 3B Philadelphia A's PSA 01734530 VG 3 Polar Bear - Eddie Collins 2B Philadelphia A's mouth closed PSA 01741370 EX 5 Sovereign - Fred Clarke OF Pittsburg Pirates SGC 1140486-009 70 EX+ 5.5 Sweet Caporal - Frank Chance 1B Chicago Cubs Ungraded Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk [ Last edited by Leon; 05-27-2021 at 08:41 AM. 
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05-27-2021, 09:47 AM
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Pretty incredible feat. Congrats! Thanks for sharing.
Chad
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05-28-2021, 12:22 AM
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Pretty impressive with the two tough backs.
I have a pretty cool extension to your project, if it is possible. I checked what the roster size for major league teams was when T205 cards were produced in 1911, and here is what I found out from the Baseball Almanac website: 1908: Both leagues set their roster size at 17 where it remained until the National Agreeement was modified after the 1912 season. T205 cards were produced in a total of 17 backs, if you include the factories and different back colors. I think you see where I am going with this...if it is a possibility to form a full 17 player HOF roster from the 25 different Hall of Famers seen in the T205 set, and you accept the challenge, good luck! Brian
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#19
05-28-2021, 05:13 PM
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Brian
It doesn't appear possible with the info I have. There are 25 Hall of Famers in the T205 set. I have 11 on my team all with different brand backs. The other 14 Hall of Famers not currently on my team are: Jimmy Collins Johnny Evers Clark Griffith Miller Huggins Hughie Jennings Walter Johnson Addie Joss Rube Marquard Christy Mathewson John McGraw Tris Speaker Bobby Wallace Ed Walsh Cy Young There are 17 different brand backs including the 6 variant tobacco brand backs. I have the 11 brands represented but not all the variants. The variant backs not on my team are as follows: American Beauty - black ink Broad Leaf - green ink Hassan - Factory 649 Piedmont - Factory 42 Sweet Caporal - Factory 25 Sweet Caporal - Factory 42 - black ink Looking thru my T205 set revealed I have 2 more Hall of Famers I can add to my team with different backs: Jimmy Collins - Hassan Factory 649 Cy Young - Sweet Caporal - Factory 42 - black ink That leaves 4 more backs (17-11-2): American Beauty - black ink Broad Leaf - green ink Piedmont - Factory 42 Sweet Caporal - Factory 25 I would need to add a card from the remaining pool of 12 Hall of Famers (25-11-2) with those 4 remaining backs: Johnny Evers Clark Griffith Miller Huggins Hughie Jennings Walter Johnson Addie Joss Rube Marquard Christy Mathewson John McGraw Tris Speaker Bobby Wallace Ed Walsh Using the chart I have of possible players and back combinations shows these players and back possibilities of the 4 remaining backs for my team: Johnny Evers - Piedmont 42 Clark Griffith - Sweet Cap - Fact. 25 Miller Huggins - American Beauty - black Broad Leaf - green Hughie Jennings - Sweet Cap - Fact. 25 Walter Johnson - Sweet Cap - Fact. 25 Addie Joss - none of the 4 possible Rube Marquard - Piedmont 42 Christy Mathewson - Piedmont 42 John McGraw - Piedmont 42 Tris Speaker - none of the 4 possible Bobby Wallace - Piedmont 42 Ed Walsh - Piedmont 42 So it would appear I could add a Piedmont 42 and a Sweet Cap 25 Hall of Famer fairly easily but there does not appear to be a selection of American Beauty black ink or Broad Leaf green ink Hall of Famers. Of the remaining 12 Hall of Famers in my pool, Joss and Speaker are not available in any of the 4 backs needed. Of the remaining 10 players, 6 of them are only available in one of the missing backs...Piedmont 42 3 players are only available in Sweet Cap with Factory 25 back So I believe it is possible to have a roster of 16 different Hall of Famers all with different backs but I don't think it is possible to fill out the roster for all 17 backs and different Hall of Fame players. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
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#20
06-02-2021, 06:35 AM
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I don't have a HINDU to display. So, I will play a variation to this game, by displaying my near-complete run of Miller Huggins.
I say "near-complete" run, because I expect that Huggins' DRUM card will eventually be discovered. Otherwise, this run is "complete" for the time being. My favorite T205 is Miller Huggins. He is the guy who persuaded Col. Jacob Ruppert (Yankees owner) to acquire Babe Ruth from Boston in 1919....and the rest is history. PIEDMONT Factory #42  . .  V----------------------------------------------------------------------AMERICAN BEAUTY - BROAD LEAF - CYCLE - DRUM connection (A - B - C - D)-------------------------V .  . . . .  . . . . . . . . . . .  . . . . . . . . . . .      TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 06-03-2021 at 07:36 AM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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