National Headed to Chicago Again in 2026

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by prestigecollectibles

I drive from South Florida. It takes me two days of driving to get to Chicago, Cleveland or Atlantic City. I think most dealers drive or have their merchandise shipped. It's just too difficult flying as we did in the 90s.

I assumed this was a major obstacle to a West Coast show for East Coast dealers. When I sold a couple of vintage motorcycles this year at the Mecum auction in Las Vegas (I'm on the West Coast) I found a guy in Los Angeles who had a trailer,insurance, and a good reputation. He picked up a dozen bikes up and down California and hauled them all to Vegas and checked them in to Mecum. Smooth process and cost me $600.

Maybe the same arrangement could be made with an enterprising individual hauling several dealers stock out from the East to Vegas.

[ValKehl]

Thanks Brian & Brian for the kind words. What I would personally like to see happen even more than a Winter NSCC is a Pre-War National. Dealers would be prohibited for selling/displaying anything earlier than 1945. No autograph signers (no living pre-War players). Obviously, this event would be much, much, much smaller than the NSCC and not require a huge, costly convention center. I don't care where it is held, I'll be there! But, I realize the chances of this happening are super slim and none!

[ValKehl]

The NSCC was held at least twice at Anaheim, quite successfully I believe. Was there a void of dealers from the East Coast for these shows?

[IndyDave]

Originally Posted by jethrod3

I've been a proponent for Indianapolis hosting the National as well. The Indiana Convention Center ballrooms cover 62,173 sq. ft. Can't remember what the space requirement is for the National----might be a tad bit too small. But when you add in Lucas Oil Stadium, which is connected to the Convention Center, that supposedly adds "up to 183,000 contiguous square feet of space." I have no idea if anyone seriously explored Indianapolis as an option though. Maybe time they should if they haven't yet.

62k square feet is smaller than the typical chain grocery store. The Indianapolis Convention Center is much larger than that

The ballrooms are 62k sf but the main exhibit hall is 566k sf of contiguous space

https://www.visitindy.com/meetings/m...ention-center/

That said, I live here and would love for it to be here. But flights to Chicago are a lot easier

[IndyDave]

Originally Posted by jethrod3

I've been a proponent for Indianapolis hosting the National as well. The Indiana Convention Center ballrooms cover 62,173 sq. ft. Can't remember what the space requirement is for the National----might be a tad bit too small. But when you add in Lucas Oil Stadium, which is connected to the Convention Center, that supposedly adds "up to 183,000 contiguous square feet of space." I have no idea if anyone seriously explored Indianapolis as an option though. Maybe time they should if they haven't yet.

62k square feet is smaller than the typical chain grocery store. The Indianapolis Convention Center is much larger than that

The ballrooms are 62k sf but the main exhibit hall is 566k sf of contiguous space

https://www.visitindy.com/meetings/m...ention-center/

That said, I live here and would love for it to be here. But flights to Chicago are a lot easier

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Thanks Brian & Brian for the kind words. What I would personally like to see happen even more than a Winter NSCC is a Pre-War National. Dealers would be prohibited for selling/displaying anything earlier than 1945. No autograph signers (no living pre-War players). Obviously, this event would be much, much, much smaller than the NSCC and not require a huge, costly convention center. I don't care where it is held, I'll be there! But, I realize the chances of this happening are super slim and none!

I assume you meant (no later than 1945).

And yes, the chance is ZERO!

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I assumed this was a major obstacle to a West Coast show for East Coast dealers. When I sold a couple of vintage motorcycles this year at the Mecum auction in Las Vegas (I'm on the West Coast) I found a guy in Los Angeles who had a trailer,insurance, and a good reputation. He picked up a dozen bikes up and down California and hauled them all to Vegas and checked them in to Mecum. Smooth process and cost me $600.

Maybe the same arrangement could be made with an enterprising individual hauling several dealers stock out from the East to Vegas.

East dealers may say it is an obstacle, but trust me, most would climb Mt. Everest to make a sale.

Those that want to sell would make it work.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by rand1com

I assume you meant (no later than 1945).

And yes, the chance is ZERO!

Randy, thanks for catching and correcting my brain freeze.

[notfast]

Everyone talking about west coast this, west coast that…yet nothing has happened out there in terms of a major card show since the 90’s…until last year with Burbank.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by notfast

Everyone talking about west coast this, west coast that…yet nothing has happened out there in terms of a major card show since the 90’s…until last year with Burbank.

The National was there in 2000 and 2006. I think we can call those major shows.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

The National was there in 2000 and 2006. I think we can call those major shows.

So I was off by a few years.

Needless to say, we are approaching 20 years and it’s not even on the table for another National. I mean we could list all the major card shows and there is exactly ONE, that started a year ago, on the west coast.

You’re telling me that the demand is so high that no one has created a show of significance out there until after the covid boom?


It isnt just because of the east coast dealers.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by notfast

So I was off by a few years.

Needless to say, we are approaching 20 years and it’s not even on the table for another National. I mean we could list all the major card shows and there is exactly ONE, that started a year ago, on the west coast.

You’re telling me that the demand is so high that no one has created a show of significance out there until after the covid boom?


It isnt just because of the east coast dealers.

The NFL did not have a franchise in Los Angeles, the second largest city in the US, for 20 years, and then they almost instantly had two. Sometimes things don't work out as you logically think they would. In the case of the National, it seems like their previous organizing committee determined that the west coast was, for their purposes, not a viable option, even though all the previous conventions in Anaheim were deemed to have been very successful.

I could foresee that the new organizers of the National would, in the relative near future, look into the feasibility of a west coast show, especially if the Burbank Show (in Anaheim) continues to draw strong interest.

Brian

[Lobo Aullando]

What was the selection process they used 20+ years ago when it actually travelled around? It doesn't seem like that would include a dealer vote. (Or at least not a vote that included the location where the vote was being taken.)

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

The NFL did not have a franchise in Los Angeles, the second largest city in the US, for 20 years, and then they almost instantly had two. Sometimes things don't work out as you logically think they would. In the case of the National, it seems like their previous organizing committee determined that the west coast was, for their purposes, not a viable option, even though all the previous conventions in Anaheim were deemed to have been very successful.

I could foresee that the new organizers of the National would, in the relative near future, look into the feasibility of a west coast show, especially if the Burbank Show (in Anaheim) continues to draw strong interest.

Brian

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by notfast

So I was off by a few years.

Needless to say, we are approaching 20 years and it’s not even on the table for another National. I mean we could list all the major card shows and there is exactly ONE, that started a year ago, on the west coast.

You’re telling me that the demand is so high that no one has created a show of significance out there until after the covid boom?


It isnt just because of the east coast dealers.

Actually Tri-Star did, until the past few years, a yearly show in San Francisco which probably qualified as a big show. They deemed it was not worth their time and effort to continue with said show.

Adam and some of his friends put on smaller shows in the LA are and you can read this posts about some of the hurdles they had in putting on small shows. Now multiply that with a 10x of tables and you see where some of the problems came from

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Actually Tri-Star did, until the past few years, a yearly show in San Francisco which probably qualified as a big show. They deemed it was not worth their time and effort to continue with said show.

Ah, the Cow Palace. Took the arduous journey into that one and IIRC, there wasn't nearly enough vintage to sate the appetite. It seemed at its heart to basically be a huge autograph show, right?

[1954 topps]

Originally Posted by MBMiller25

Cleveland is less space than Chicago (Source Utube listen to show promoters on Jeremy Lee sports card live talking about Cleveland versus Chicago), coupled with the fact I paid $109 a night for my room at the Loew’s hotel in Chicago, ( so please show me equal level hotel accommodations for half that price In Cleveland) so irregardless of your opinion and frankly I’m fine with anywhere BUT Atlantic City, let’s at least try to be factual accurate when commenting.

Cleveland is 2.2M sq.ft which is almost 3x the size of Donald E. Stevens. The largest continuous space is 530k sq.ft vs 250k sq.ft. in Rosemont. Check both websites. Here I’ll even include link’s because I already know you won’t take the initiative to look for facts before calling someone out as “inaccurate”.

https://rosemont.com/desconvention/facility/

https://www.ixcenter.com/plan/floorplans-and-features/

I’ve never found a nice hotel for under $200 a night in Rosemont. $109 seems like an absolute bargain. Most hotels nearby even charge extra for parking. Some charge extra for a continental breakfast.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

If you are driving or have a ride, I have to imagine the hotels that are a bit farther away (but not by much) can't be in that price range. My frame of reference is admittedly very dated, but the last Chicago National I attended was in the 2010s. I stayed in Schiller Park, an 8 minute drive away. Hotel was much above average and in the $70 range via Priceline. Even with the ridiculous price hikes for accommodation, can it possibly be more than $150 today?

A slightly below average room in the Cleveland area was still under $80 in 2018. I've never stayed incredibly close to the I-X. Used to be able to find a nicer place in the $50-60 range a handful of years prior with courtesy limo rides (Lincoln Towncar or SUV) to any place within a certain radius of the hotel. Unfortunately, the convention center wasn't within that radius, but it allowed for easy dinner and drinks. I'm guessing that it would still be possible to find something in the $100-110 range today?

[Snapolit1]

If there was a top 5 list of subjects that will never die and will draw heated opinions one way or another ad infinitum . . . . this one is damm close to the top of the list.

I am not a seller. I am fine with the guys and gals schlepping their cases and boxes around to pick where they want to set up shop. While I like AC for proximity reasons and casinos, Chicago certain makes a lot of sense geographically. I know it's not as easy as just putting together a list of convention space size and throwing a dart at the board.

[Jewish-collector]

National in Chicago - always stayed in Schiller Park, usually here http://qualityinnohare.com/

National in Cleveland - usually stayed in Middleburg Heights, North Olmsted, Independence, Brunswick, Elyria etc,... was always an easy drive to the IX Center.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Ah, the Cow Palace. Took the arduous journey into that one and IIRC, there wasn't nearly enough vintage to sate the appetite. It seemed at its heart to basically be a huge autograph show, right?

Yes not a ton of vintage and yes because of Tri-Star a lot of autographs. But it was a big show and we have to remember that Vintage (with the exception of the NSCC and a couple of other shows) is not always an major portion of the biggest shows

Rich

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by 1954 topps

Cleveland is 2.2M sq.ft which is almost 3x the size of Donald E. Stevens. The largest continuous space is 530k sq.ft vs 250k sq.ft. in Rosemont. Check both websites. Here I’ll even include link’s because I already know you won’t take the initiative to look for facts before calling someone out as “inaccurate”.

https://rosemont.com/desconvention/facility/

https://www.ixcenter.com/plan/floorplans-and-features/

I’ve never found a nice hotel for under $200 a night in Rosemont. $109 seems like an absolute bargain. Most hotels nearby even charge extra for parking. Some charge extra for a continental breakfast.

The National utilized the entire first floor of the Stephens Center this year which provided 600,000 sq.ft. according to the management company.

The IX Center, no matter the 2.2 million overall sq. ft. figure, has roughly 10% less space for booths than the Stephens Center did this year in one contiguous space. Hence, fewer booths.

If you book hotel rooms early through the National's booking company, you get reasonable rates if not staying across the street from the venue. For that convenience, you will pay appropriately.

Case in point, Hilton Garden Inn 1 mile from the Stephens Center was $139/night with free parking this year if booked through them.

Nice buffet breakfast was $16 but still put the daily rate at $155 + taxes with breakfast.

It was roughly double that rate for the room if you booked directly through Hilton a couple of weeks before the show and parking was an additional $15/day.

You have to plan early for the National if you want the best rates/deals.

[philliesfan]

So my first year of retirement is going to include a trip to Chicago......
Bob

[Yoda]

Don't forget Cleveland has the Rock and Roll HOF, which is a great nostalgia trip and definitely worth a visit if you haven't already done it.

[calvindog]

Which Cleveland hotel is: the closest to the IX/traditionally filled first?

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Which Cleveland hotel is: the closest to the IX/traditionally filled first?

They are all roughy 3 miles from the venue so just go to Conference Housing and select the one you want. I think November is the earliest you can actually book but you can request in advance but you have to number them 1-3 so you may not get your first choice.