OT: Guide to Tobacco Cards Featuring Animals/Non-Sports?

[Jobu]

I am a wildlife biologist and conservationist and I am interested in starting to collect some tobacco cards that feature animals. Not all images are created equal, so I do not want to start buying at random without knowing what is out there. This is a round about way to ask if anyone here knows of resource that would display all all of these cards so that I can decide which to chase.

Thanks

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Jobu

I am a wildlife biologist and conservationist and I am interested in starting to collect some tobacco cards that feature animals. Not all images are created equal, so I do not want to start buying at random without knowing what is out there. This is a round about way to ask if anyone here knows of resource that would display all all of these cards so that I can decide which to chase.

Thanks

I would highly recommend the Net54 Non-Sports Card Forum link in the upper right of this page. They have a great gallery selection of photos that should help, many members there are helpful there in guiding you, and many visit here as well. There are some books out there, but you might want to start with the 'free' link and gallery first.

[Jobu]

All this time and I had no idea that was there! Thanks.

This may be a question for Leon: when I try a lot of the links in the gallery are dead. Are these fixable or just gone?

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-start/animals.html

[swarmee]

The purveyor Dan C on the non-sports side is always making improvements to the gallery. Send him a message through their side and he will take care of the broken links.

[Jobu]

Just sent him an email. My future collection of primates and birds thanks you.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jobu

All this time and I had no idea that was there! Thanks.

This may be a question for Leon: when I try a lot of the links in the gallery are dead. Are these fixable or just gone?

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-start/animals.html

Except being a good hobby friend of the owner of that site, and us sharing a hosting company previously, this site doesn't have much to do with that one....especially for links etc. A lot of our members are members there too and I don't know of a better non sports site on the web.

[1880nonsports]

please consider going to the NS site and introducing yourself. A few comments about your topical interests would no doubt evoke a variety of responses about the feasibility of a chasing a particular set (cost, availability, etc.) or suggestions with regard to your theme. There are quite a few examples to explore from different eras and different types of cards from here and across the pond. Many of the NS hobby's veterans have a presence so tough questions can be greeted with learned responses. Of course you can just observe when there's a rain delay :-)

[Jobu]

Dan answered immediately and is going to have things fixed in the next day or so. Thanks again for the input.

[trdcrdkid]

Bryan --

The nonsport Net54 site has galleries of most N and T sets, if you know where to look. Here are the T29 Animals cards, which are very affordable:

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/T29/go.html

T42 and T43 Birds, also affordable:

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/T42/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/T43/go.html

T58 Fish, ditto:

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/T58/go.html

In the 19th century, Allen & Ginter put out several nice sets, which are going to set you back more than the T cards, but not nearly as much as baseball N cards from that era. Here are N25 Wild Animals of the World and N21 Quadrupeds:

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-N25/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N21/go.html

N4 Birds of America, N5 Birds of the Tropics, N13 Game Birds, N20 Prize Chickens, and N23 Song Birds:

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N4/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N5/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N13/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-N20/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N23/go.html

And N8 Fish from American Waters:

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N8/go.html

There were also larger-size A&G sets of Birds of America (N37), Birds of the Tropics (N38), Fish from American Waters (N39), Game Birds (N40), Quadrupeds (N41), and Song Birds of the World (N42).

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N37/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N38/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N39/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N40/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N41/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N42/go.html

The larger-size cards are more expensive. I have at least one example of each of these Allen & Ginter cards (and in fact of all of the A&G color sets).

Other 19th-century tobacco companies put out occasional animal sets, such as Duke's Fishers and Fish (N74, N108), Goodwin's Dogs of the World (N163), and Kinney's Animals (N216) and Butterflies (N217).

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-N74/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N108/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-N163/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-N216/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-N217/go.html

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Jobu

All this time and I had no idea that was there! Thanks.

This may be a question for Leon: when I try a lot of the links in the gallery are dead. Are these fixable or just gone?

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-start/animals.html

Bryan,

I think some of the links have changed, at least from some of the pages. Here's a trick though:

1 ) Go to the gallery link/list you might be interested in. For example, starting with the one you asked about above you might be interested in the N4 set.
2 ) Go here: http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/
3 ) Search for "N4".
4 ) Click on that directory (to go into that directory).
5 ) Click on the "go.html" link. You should get to the gallery.

Another option is start from here: http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-start/showtime2.html . This might be even better as the link you initially provided does not contain all the animal tobacco cards. For instance, I notice the T29 (Hassan Animals) conspicuously absent from the "Animals , Birds, & Fish" 'category'.

Still might be good to contact Dan about the problem links, but the above should get you around that until fixes might be made.

Taylor

[trdcrdkid]

All of the links work fine for me, including the ones I gave in my post as well as the ones on the subject page that Bryan linked to (which I didn't see before writing my post). Could it be a browser issue, if some people are having problems? I'm using Chrome right now, and not having any problems seeing the galleries.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

All of the links work fine for me, including the ones I gave in my post as well as the ones on the subject page that Bryan linked to (which I didn't see before writing my post). Could it be a browser issue, if some people are having problems? I'm using Chrome right now, and not having any problems seeing the galleries.

Maybe some of them might be related to browser, as I haven't dug too deeply, BUT also... two different links.

From Bryan's initial method (Animals, Birds, and Fish link at http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-start/animals.html), if you click on the N4 link it takes you to: http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-N4/go.html (which doesn't work for me, 404 error, which isn't a browser issue)

From http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-start/all-g.html, the N4 link takes you to http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N4/go.html (which works fine)

Edited to add: David's list IS pretty comprehensive though, as far as I know (which is less than him)

[1880nonsports]

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-start/showtime2.html

1880s-1890s TOBACCO INSERT CARDS - - - Early 1900s A.T.C. and B.A.T.

start here with Allen and Ginter :-)

there are also "albums" and "banners" that bring it all together. I'm partial to 19th century stuff - the lithography and artistry quite spectacular. Your category might include exhibits, bread cards, arm and hammer - the list goes on and ..........

[Jobu]

Man, you guys are awesome.

The links in my initial link now all work as Dan fixed them almost immediately. If you come across anything that doesn't work please let him know.

FYI - if the links didn't work for you the first time you tried and they still don't you might need to close and reopen your browser.

I will probably have more questions after I find the time to check all of these out!

[egbeachley]

Bryan,

You like bird cards? Check out the T90s. They use real feathers of the bird pictured. very labor intensive. Produced around 1912. 30 cards in the set, 29 known.

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/T90/go.html

[DHogan]

You might find some useful non-sports reference guides here. http://www.nonsportupdate.com/nsu_store.htm