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Old 06-23-2007, 01:32 PM
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Posted By: Leslie Westbrook

Since t-206's (and some others) can vary in original size, what are some of the best ways to tell if cards have been trimmed? I'm still new to this, and I don't want to overlook anything. Thanks!

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Old 06-23-2007, 02:22 PM
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Posted By: Rob

If a T206 has sharp corners and does not fit a PSA holder tightly, it's reasonable to suspect it's trimmed.

PRO graded cards are so infamous at grading trimmed cards that they are the same price for a trimmed T206 card as well often appearing obviously trimmed.

I had one T206 rightly rejected by PSA as trimmed as there was chipping on the white front left side edge due to a dull cutter. What is interesting is my T206 came from a seller who had sold a large number of T206's high grade appearing raw T206 cards on Ebay which DID get graded and sold on Ebay. Were any of those other cards trimmed? Seems likely.

PSA rejected a card I sent from an unsealed pack (non vintage issue) as being trimmed. I know for a fact that the card was not trimmed. PSA is far from 100% accurate in determining trimmed vs non trimmed cards.

If one were to do a statistical analysis of the grading distribution of T206 cards (which can be readily trimmed and get graded) vs. T205 cards (the usual dulled gold/oxidized borders will readily show trimmed edges) one might conclude 70% of cards graded 6-8 are trimmed. No doubt the percentage is somewhat lower, due to grader bias against colored corners, but even 1/3 of all high graded T206's seems unacceptable. If or when a mathematician analyzed PSA and SGC graded vintage card populations, and made that information widely available...it might call into question those 2-5K prices paid for PSA 8 T206's.

Bottom line: you should stick to crease free full sized cards with enough corner wear to merit a 5 EX grade, if you wish to avoid trimmed T206 cards.

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Posted By: peter ullman

you should check past posts for this topic...it has been discussed at great length. it will help to just look at as many cards as you can...even on ebay and compare the corners and sizes. To the trained eye...it's usually obvious.

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Posted By: aro13

In the last two issues of SGC Collector Magazine there have been articles on how to detect trimming in T206 and T205 cards. You can probably order a copy at the SGC website.

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Old 06-24-2007, 12:27 AM
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Here is something I started to write some time ago about identifying a trimmed card. Keep in mind this is a very rough draft. It's a quick hit and covers just the very basics but it may offer some assistance.
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The first test is to see if a card measures-up properly. To find this out you will first need to know the textbook measurement of the particular card you are examining. Most modern era cards vary little to none from the exact manufactures specifications. You can although, have a pre-war card that is not trimmed but was originally cut short or long by the manufacturer.

Vintage cards with an emphasis on tobacco era pre-war cards may require some scrutiny. Since the cutting of cards in the early years of production was not an exact science, many of these were cut with little regard to accuracy or consistency, this is very prevalent with the tobacco series cards. These were cut with various widths and lengths. A card may be shy of the proper size but still be within the limits of authentication and grading standards. A card could also have been cut larger and be “doctored” to precise measurements. This is where knowing how to identify a trimmed card may come to use.

There are some key indicators to tell if a card is trimmed:

To truly tell if a card has been trimmed, it must be removed from any holder it is in so the edges can be clearly seen and studied...edges are the key!

Give the card a visual once-over before subjecting it to an in depth inspection. Look for obvious signs of trimming or a "hack-job." This can be wavy or uneven edges or just an overall abnormal appearance. Some may have a slant cut or corners that are flared in or out when compared to the same edge. Stand the suspected card edge up on a flat surface, inspect the card for an uneven cut. It may even rock back-and-forth from a high middle or parts may be so badly cut a light can be seen shining between the hard surface and card edge.

The border-edge on a normal card will be slightly rounded and have somewhat of a smooth edge but not perfectly flat or overly smooth to the touch. Very gently rub your finger-tip across each edge. Feel for signs of an abnormally smooth edge left by the sharp instrument. If and edge has been trimmed it may have a different feel than the others. While normal edges can have a slightly rough feeling, a trimmed edge will feel somewhat slick. In time and after some practice the skill of feeling an edge for alterations will become more developed. If you feel an edge that is different from the rest, look at it under a 50+ watt halogen light and a 10x jewelers loupe.

With the same light and loupe look for edge notches. These occur when a sharp edge is carefully and slowly used to trim a card. Since it is very difficult to make a clean, fast, one step cut, the card doctor, not wanting the cutting instrument to slip away or stray from making that perfect corner and edge, will usually grip the devise tight and move the blade very slow. This precise and deliberate cut will often leave behind rather obvious notches, otherwise known as "stall marks." This is an almost involuntarily movement made when a sharp instrument is stopped or stalled while trimming. Using your loupe and studying the edge under a halogen light, look for small notches that usually have a similar slant. Typically there will be several of these stall marks located down an entire edge that has been trimmed. Be aware that many cards have original factory cuts that produce minor slanting cut marks and are considered to be very normal. Stall marks made by a person who trimmed a card will be more pronounced and deeper. In cases such as this it would help to know a little history about the cards you are collecting.

A trimmed or sanded card will be flat and/or be "very" smooth in one or more spots. Since sanding disrupts the individual fibers small raised fibers or hair-like strands may protrude along the suspected edge(s). Usually this can only be seen under slight magnification and a light.

Look at all the edges and corners of the card under a halogen light and a loupe. A normal vintage card will be slightly toned (light gray-brown), a trimmed card will magically reveal a very white appearance compared to a naturally toned edge when held under a halogen light. It will be surprisingly evident and is the best overall objective finding in recognizing a trimmed card.

Crimped edges and corners are another thing to look for. Since most cuts are made with scissors, scalpels or razor blades, a cut card will almost always show signs of tampering. Often times a card that has been cut can regain its shape in the middle over time but the corners will still show the initial pinch point.

Look at all sides from a distance. Some trimmed cards may have a slant cut or flared corners that are slightly higher than the middle edge. This is commonly referred to as a bat-ear. When scissors are used, the hand has an involuntary tendency to start high and go low for the initial and/or end cut, if ever so slight. If trying to avoid this, the cut may actually start low at the corner and go higher towards the middle.

Important fact; if the edge or corner of a card has been trimmed without other enhancements, regardless of the level of sophistication, it will always display the look of a trimmed card in one way or another. In essence, a trimmed card will look trimmed. Once again, the edges are the key in determining if a card has been trimmed.

Hope this helps!


Kevin

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Collect 1960s to early 1980s OPC, as they have naturally fuzzy edges. Collect Colgan Chips and Cabinet Cards (N173, Pinkerton). There's nothing wrong with collecting lower grade cards with rough edges. Cards with stains or similar damage are less likely to be deceptively trimmed, as you can't trim a stained card into Mint. Don't collect high grade cards. If a card is only collectible once it's reached Nrmt-Mt or above grade, it doesn't sound to me like much of a card. A T206 Ty Cobb is collectible even in fair condition. If you collect the issue, 90 percent of trimming is obvious.

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