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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Ryan Christoff
STEP ONE: Bid on and win an auction item. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Kenny Cole
Thanks for letting us know how SCP and Sotheby's takes care of non-disclosure problems. Given your experience, I will not be bidding in their auctions. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Matt
First of all, thanks for posting this - it's great information for all of us to keep in mind. Secondly, I feel really bad for you - there's nothing worse then being taken advantage of. Thirdly I would suggest you do indeed pursue legal action - even if you don't care about the outcome (you'd probably get all of your money back), it would force them to be more careful next time, knowing that they might have to fight lawsuits off if they pull more of this crap in the future. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Sorry to hear it Ryan. I have never bid with Sotheby's before, but this will give me great pause to ever do any kind of business with them. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: leon
As I told you on the phone I think they handled this very poorly. I will be very careful IF I bid in their auctions. One thing I can say about most auction houses is that when they make a mistake they fix it very professionally. We all will make mistakes....it's how we handle them that matters....Thanks for posting this.. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Jason L
in doing honest business in this industry/hobby?! |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: David Bowden
Also notice how the two different pictures are cropped. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Dave F
Maybe just my eyes but it looks like you can see a bunch of the creases in the top photo...especially the one at the top where the word eastern is down below...definately appears anyway some doctoring would have been done here. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Jim VB
I agree with Matt. You should take legal action. You have been sold an item that is not as advertised. The pictures in the catalog have clearly been retouched (perhaps they do not technically use Photoshop, but the used some photo editing software.) |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: barrysloate
I think we all know from experience the power of this board. Hopefully in the end you will get some restitution. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Jim VB
Ryan, |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Ricky Y
Wow I recall seeing that piece in the catalogue and I agree it looks nothing like the item received. Given the magnitude of the discrepancy and the dollars involved this should be resolved to the satisfaction of the bidder. I think Ryan's counter proposals are more than fair. Best wishes in getting this resolved. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Joseph
In the previous thread (which everyone should read) I'd wondered whether the sepia toning of the |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Aaron M.
Did he offer to give you a full refund if you returned the item? |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Ryan Christoff
No refund of any kind was offered at any point. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Aaron M.
Then I think you gotta sue. $10k is enough on the line to at least retain an attorney and send a threatening letter to get them to negotiate. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Peter Thomas
Ryan - very sorry to hear and SEE this. Clearly same item with image doctored. Jim - Ryan is in Colorado |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Phil Garry
Ryan: |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Anonymous
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Aaron M.
Joe, which ad pieces are fake? I have already bid on several. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Cobby33
Unfortunately they're not the only auction house with these unlawful policies. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Joseph
Wait a minute, maybe you shouldn't tell O'Keeffe about it: he may do a piece on your ordeal and the |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Aaron, the Gehrig Ken Wel sign is dubious at best. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Seth B.
Ryan, good luck. The picture was clearly misrepresented, and the fake sepia tone just screams photoshop to me. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: peter chao
Ryan, |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: JK
Unbelieveable. I had planned to bid on a couple items in this auction. I wont be doing so now. I also think its worth pursuing further. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Yikes, this defense lawyer is having a hard time coming up with a defense here given the photos. Cole wins this one hands down. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Paul Moss
Disgraceful, utterly disgraceful. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: leon
I just looked at their current auction and I would have definitely bid on some items....I will be sitting this one out..... |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: barrysloate
Peter- the photo appeared in their last live auction in NYC. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Steve Dawson
Let's see..... |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Richard
Sorry to hear of your problems dealing with SCP as well. I will not be bidding either. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Disgraceful. Ripping Ryan off for 10K is costing them how much now? I hope they make this right soon. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Rob
what gets me most in the differences in photos is #4, where the catalog photo shows a complete square corner, and in reality a chunk of the corner is actually MISSING. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Paul S
It's a shame. Especially considering your graciousness at offering to accept at less value something you may not even have otherwise bid on. The full amount is peanuts to them. Good luck! |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: John S
Ryan, |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: barrysloate
Well, they saved a few thousand dollars and lost about twenty potential bidders. Not a good trade off as I see it. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: David Davis
I just e-mailed Dan Imler at SCP/Sotheby's and wrote that when it is time to sell my collection I will not be considering them because of this issue. Not bidding in their auction and their having less items to sell are two ways to hurt them. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
That sucks, Ryan. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: leon
I do need to ask folks to put their names by their posts in this thread. The rules are always the same in these cases. Say what you want to but you need to be known...and an email address is required too...This protects everyone.......Thanks for the understanding..... |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Steve Murray
Make that 21. (And I just perused the auction and there are some pretty neat items that I will not be bidding on.) |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: barrysloate
I know Steve. This is bad stuff...and Ryan didn't even ask for a refund, he just asked for an adjustment. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I presume that someone from SCP reads this forum and will do the right thing; after all, there is a lot of cash to be spent by our members. In the end, the bottom line is the bottom line and any remotely competent businessman will come to realize the financial significance of this forum. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Dan Kravitz
Someone should forward this to anyone who cares at SCP. I was going to bid strong on 5 items, and I have decided not to give SCP one cent until this issue is resolved. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Greg Sonk
I've been lurking here for a few years, but never before felt the need to post. I just wanted to thank Ryan for calling this to the community's attention. Speaking as someone who has undertaken the transition from modern to pre-war in the last few years, I can honestly say the open sharing of knowledge on this board has proven invaluable. I, too, will not be bidding in any of their upcoming auctions. Everything else aside, I sincerely hope they make this right by Ryan, as he has clearly been wronged. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: David Smith
Do you think Sotheby's REALLY cares about we baseball card collectors? I mean, what little they lose as far as Commisions from us not bidding on their items is inconsequential to them. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Aaron M.
Barry, I often think it's harder for an auction house to make an adjustment than it is to offer a full refund. It's hard to quantify what the adjustment should be (bidder and auction house could have very different ideas) and sets up a precedent that most auction houses would like to avoid (otherwise they could be inundated with winning bidders requesting incremental adjustments based on varying degrees of disparity between the item's description and what was actually received). |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: jay behrens
There are around 1100-1200 regulars to this board, according to Leon. My guess is that about 10% of that is regular contributors. Now multiply by 10 the number people who have come forward saying they won't bid and you have pretty good idea of what impact this is having. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
David, I usually share your cynicism but not in this case. Perhaps baseball cards are not a big part of Sotheby's business but it is still part of their business. Bad news can still infect the larger part of their auction business because a loss in revenue one year is lost forever. |
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How to get ripped off by SCP Auctions & Sotheby's
Posted By: leon
the last few days of Unique IP addresses....since Monday was a holiday for most I feel it is a good indicator of how many folks look at the board. On regular work days folks might use 2 computers (home and work) so that would be 2 Uniques.....If I were a consignor I would be very unhappy.... |
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