ty cobb back

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Posted By: steve

was ty cobb the only one with the ty cobb back or was there other players with the ty cobb back and is it true there is only one ty cobb with the ty cobb back in existance

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Posted By: dd

Ty Cobb is the only player with a Ty Cobb reverse and there is more than one example. There are fewer Cobb's (with Cobb reverse) than there are T206 Wagner's, but more than T206 Doyle variations.

IMHO Cobb with Cobb reverse is not part of the T206 set.

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Posted By: leon

there are approximately 12 known. I noticed you are asking a lot of questions that can be easily answered if you use the search function on this main page. Please spare us a little bit, use it, and if you don't find an answer, come back and ask. Three questions about a value of a T206 Wagner, in different threads, in one day, is too many also...best regards...moderator dude (leon)

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Posted By: anthony

you can check all the backs in scarcity order at t206museum.com. some collectors dont consider this to be one of the backs...i've yet to see any player other than cobb with the ty cobb back, and i've only seen scans/photos, never first hand.

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Posted By: JimB

Leon is right; there are 12 known. All have the Cobb red portrait front.
JimB
P.S. I do consider it a legit T206 back for reasons discussed in several previous threads.

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Posted By: leon

But since we are here..... If the T206 Cobb/Cobb is a T206 issue, and not a Coupon (T213)issue, then why do they have the glossy fronts, like T213's? I am in the camp of it not being a T206 issue..but it's a good friendly debate...now I am going to heed my own advice and use the search function to see what the arguments were last time this topic came up...if I change my mind I will post again.....

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Leon, it's a refractor.

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Posted By: JimB

Leon,
I will assume you mean T213 Type 1 since Types 2 and 3 have the names written in blue ink unlike T206s which were in brown ink. My first response would be that the Coupon sets were issued by one brand, but the T206, if we are to think of it as one set as the ACC catoguers did, was issued with many different brand advertisements on the back. One quality that makes the T206 brands all common, other than front images, is the fact that they were all brands owned by the American Tobacco Company. I don't know that Coupon brand falls into that category. Maybe other here know. If so, then an argument could be made that Coupon Type 1 should should be included among T206 brands. The shallack type front on them would be a unique physical characteristic, but at least one other T206 brand, American Beauty has a unique physical characteristic as well. It's dimensions are thinner, width-wise, than all the other T206s. But we don't ever think about pulling them from the T206 set.

I think an interesting bit of research would be to see if Coupon Type 1s all correspond to one of the particular series of T206 images. In other words: Are they all of fronts that were in the 150 series of T206s? If so, and Coupon was a part of the ATC, then I think a good argument could be made that it should be included among T206s.
JimB