Show...me...your print variations!

[butchie_t]

Has anyone else seen a 75 Topps Hank Aaron 660 like the one pictured?

I have not seen one like this until about a week ago. And it is headed to my collection now.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

Has anyone else seen a 75 Topps Hank Aaron 660 like the one pictured?

I have not seen one like this until about a week ago. And it is headed to my collection now.

Bad news, it's from the scanner setting used by the seller and will only be a normal 75 Topps Hank Aaron card when you receive it. We've had a few of these pop up here on this thread.

[butchie_t]

Bummer,

Oh well, still a Hank and it was cheap. Thanks!

[ALR-bishop]

Are there not some issued 1960 cards where some but not all versions of the card insert extend into the border. Not as dramatically as those above though

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by ejstel

Wow
..so cool to see these!
Was it a find or a special auction?

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Bought in a private sale

[ejstel]

The 73 Ryan card has a reasonably common upper right blue bleed...but this one is special "Put you on Ice - Iced Out" SSSSSSSP SuperShort*7Print.

Nice card!

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[4reals]

Bought a bunch of Topps 78 and 79 from a local guy and found some possibly worth noting.

78 Ruhle #456 (varying degrees of slash by bill of cap)
78 Kranepool #49 (black slash next to baseball in upper corner)
78 R. Cleveland #105 (yellow slash on uni sleeve-seems like a more reoccurring item)
78 Lee #295 (partial pink border in upper right-not sure if a corrected variation exists not unlike 65 topps roseboro)
79 Rader #693 (clouds in sky)
79 Bird #664 (partial team banner missing)
79 Zahn #678 (yellow cloud around head)

If anyone has that 68 topps Dodgers Billingham rookie variation (circle in black ink), I would trade any of these for it.








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[swarmee]

Plate scratch on the back of 1965 Topps card #2, down at the bottom over the (C)TCG (recurring):


1965 Topps - [Base] #2 - League Leaders - Bob Clemente, Rico Carty, Hank Aaron
Courtesy of COMC.com

[bswhiten]

Which variation of the 1962 Topps Mantle 318 is the tougher to find? The no “e” in New York 1952 stats or the “e”? A quick search on eBay would say that the with “e” version is harder to find.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

Which variation of the 1962 Topps Mantle 318 is the tougher to find? The no “e” in New York 1952 stats or the “e”? A quick search on eBay would say that the with “e” version is harder to find.

That’s a new one on me. The version without the ‘e’ is much more common than the correct version on COMC, and I noticed the ‘e’ wasn’t placed very well on the corrected version.

[G1911]

Not sure if recurring, but this one has 2. The weird angled line in the left black border is present on all copies of the card, I think. The big yellow splotch next to Dalkowski's head I don't think I've seen before. There's also a blue dot next to Bouldin.

Anyone seen or have these 2 defects?

[4reals]

#518 can also be found with varying degrees of this in the 79 set.




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[4reals]

Hargrove #591 fisheye at the Rangers A




McKay #608 yellow pants




Whitfield #589 yellow astroturf




Stanley #597 double print , topps logo, player name and position can be seen faintly behind team name






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[G1911]

Noticed a mark on my 57 Boyer while playing with my set, the first image with the curley blue shape. I went to see if it was recurring or maybe an after-production mark or damage, and saw 2 other different blue shapes on COMC. Looks like there are at least 4 Boyer cards:

Blue curley shape
Big blue dot
2 very small blue dots
Proper full white border (not pictured)

There may be more.

[G1911]

Also, Hobie Landrith #182 comes with or without blue smearing in the upper right corner of the picture. Blue smear shown.

I apologize if I've posted about this already, I don't think I've heard of it from anyone else but it's tough to keep track to recall them all!

[G1911]

This Grote with a big pink splotch in the bottom banner is recurring, but a pretty tough one to find.

[ALR-bishop]

Is the line on Landrith a mark or a crease ?

[frankhardy]

Originally Posted by G1911

Noticed a mark on my 57 Boyer while playing with my set, the first image with the curley blue shape. I went to see if it was recurring or maybe an after-production mark or damage, and saw 2 other different blue shapes on COMC. Looks like there are at least 4 Boyer cards:

Blue curley shape
Big blue dot
2 very small blue dots
Proper full white border (not pictured)

There may be more.

Stop it would ya?!?!

You must be on a mission to bring to light every Cardinals print variation that I don't have in order to put a damper on my day!

I hate you! (in a light-hearted, hobby sort of way!)

[G1911]

Originally Posted by frankhardy

Stop it would ya?!?!

You must be on a mission to bring to light every Cardinals print variation that I don't have in order to put a damper on my day!

I hate you! (in a light-hearted, hobby sort of way!)

Ruining things for people is my special talent!

[JollyElm]

I posted this bizarre one in the pickups thread, but Joe feels more at home here...

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[G1911]

Originally Posted by G1911

Noticed a mark on my 57 Boyer while playing with my set, the first image with the curley blue shape. I went to see if it was recurring or maybe an after-production mark or damage, and saw 2 other different blue shapes on COMC. Looks like there are at least 4 Boyer cards:

Blue curley shape
Big blue dot
2 very small blue dots
Proper full white border (not pictured)

There may be more.

Found another one, the one on top here with a blue scribble mark in the same spot. There's at least 5 distinct versions of Boyer's card, possibly more.

[Harliduck]

I have no idea if this card has been mentioned on this thread...if so, I apologize. It's quite the long thread now...


Thumbing through my 63 Topps set I noticed my #68 Friendly Foes had a large yellow ink blob...so I looked through ebay and other sites and pored through a bunch of cards and did find ONE other with the same blob...kinda cool to see a matching card. So I assume there are others out there.

Here is my card -



Here is the card I found on ebay with the same ink markings...




Cool card regardless...thought I'd share...

[G1911]

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[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Harliduck

I have no idea if this card has been mentioned on this thread...if so, I apologize. It's quite the long thread now...


Thumbing through my 63 Topps set I noticed my #68 Friendly Foes had a large yellow ink blob...so I looked through ebay and other sites and pored through a bunch of cards and did find ONE other with the same blob...kinda cool to see a matching card. So I assume there are others out there.

Here is my card -



Here is the card I found on ebay with the same ink markings...




Cool card regardless...thought I'd share...

Nice find John, haven't seen that one before, thank you for sharing.

[4reals]

74 Topps Traded Jim Ray #458T - blue dot in upper right background




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[G1911]

#134. Black dot in upper right. This version with the dot is more common, seems like maybe 3/4 cards that are centered properly have the black mark.

[G1911]

#136 in the 73 set, Earl Weaver with the brown background has this black line as a recurring variant. I haven't looked carefully, but don't have it on the orange background version of Weaver's card.

[G1911]

#139 comes with or without a small pink mark (it's much more noticeable in hand than the photo) below the "h" in "Chicago". Cards with the mark are a minority, maybe 10% or less I think but I haven't checked that carefully.

[G1911]

#169 Schueler also has a black dot in the upper right corner. Maybe 50% of cards, both versions are easy.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by G1911

#136 in the 73 set, Earl Weaver with the brown background has this black line as a recurring variant. I haven't looked carefully, but don't have it on the orange background version of Weaver's card.

I could only find one Al Oliver with the line and no Carlton Fisk cards with the line but it's possible it stops on the Oliver.

[Cliff Bowman]

I found Plummer and Biittner with the line so it affected at least Weaver, Oliver, Fisk, Plummer, and Biittner, I couldn't find any Blyleven, Harrelson, Caldwell, or Harrah cards with the line but it no doubt runs through at least Blyleven. I have had a 73 Aparicio with a line at the bottom for years that I never knew what to make of, I believe now it was above Al Oliver on one of those 1973 sheets where they printed 66 cards twice rather than all 132 cards, I never understood why Topps used that method in the early 70's.

[4reals]

Cliff, since you brought up the roller streaks I have a question. I always considered these to be in the no big deal category because when I have time to sift through vintage commons they are abundant but since you have 15 of them it sounds like you collect them to some extent.

My question is, and I ask this of anyone willing to respond, what are the least interesting or least desirable print variations/anomalies to chase or add to your collection and which are the most desirable?

Fisheyes/bullseyes?
Roller marks/streaks?
Random border dots?
Smeared ink?
Solution spills?
Ink transfer?
Ghosting?
Offset color creating a border void?
Offset color changing the color of an object?
Missing ink?
Border breaks?

These are not the only options, feel free to add something I may have neglected.


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[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by 4reals

Cliff, since you brought up the roller streaks I have a question. I always considered these to be in the no big deal category because when I have time to sift through vintage commons they are abundant but since you have 15 of them it sounds like you collect them to some extent.

My question is, and I ask this of anyone willing to respond, what are the least interesting or least desirable print variations/anomalies to chase or add to your collection and which are the most desirable?

Fisheyes/bullseyes?
Roller marks/streaks?
Random border dots?
Smeared ink?
Solution spills?
Ink transfer?
Ghosting?
Offset color creating a border void?
Offset color changing the color of an object?
Missing ink?
Border breaks?

These are not the only options, feel free to add something I may have neglected.


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My personal favorites are too much ink/ink explosions and partially missing borders/partially missing black ink which are from the final step of the printing process of a card.

[Kevvyg1026]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

My personal favorites are too much ink/ink explosions and partially missing borders/partially missing black ink which are from the final step of the printing process of a card.

Those three cards are consecutive in the Bob Johnson row of the series 5 issue. Nice find!!

[ALR-bishop]

The 67s Cliff posted are tough

[G1911]

Thank you gentlemen, I got a few more to go chase!

Al - what's the difference between the 2nd and 3rd 1973 Dick Williams cards? My eyes must be failing me on spotting this one.

[4reals]

As you guys know, I only chase Dodgers variations. Here are my 1973 contributions:









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[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by 4reals

As you guys know, I only chase Dodgers variations. Here are my 1973 contributions:









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That Willie Crawford is awesome. Quite a few cards on the 1973 1st Series sheet are plagued by the excessive yellow ink like your Bill Russell. I probably have 10-15 of the 1973 Dodgers team card with that huge black ink blob. It never caught on so like many other non sought after print errors I quit looking for it after a while.

[ejstel]

Dont't forget the 1973 Quilici 'Ghostface Coaches' card

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[4reals]

I just picked this up on ebay. Seller has others and took a 50% off offer. Search “missing most black ink”




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[ALR-bishop]

"missing most black ink" has no charm. Fred's Blacklessing or Gray Ghosts had more pizzas. Transition cards in first row below

[4reals]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

"missing most black ink" has no charm. Fred's Blacklessing or Gray Ghosts had more pizzas. Transition cards in first row below

Haha, perhaps the lack of charm is what destined the card to still find its home with me! I agree though, not many guy more charming than Fred!


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[ALR-bishop]

No one has ever had a higher regard for his cards than Fred

[G1911]

Green line to right of cartoon is frequently recurring

[ejstel]

Thoughts 1969 Don Wilson - saw this one recently that wasn't fully air brushed...any thoughts on what on the cap?

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[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ejstel

Thoughts 1969 Don Wilson - saw this one recently that wasn't fully air brushed...any thoughts on what on the cap?

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Just my opinion but I'm thinking 'snow', it's also in his name.

[ejstel]

It looks diagonal like a logo...also that he was only on the Astrosseems strange, why did the airbrush on the cap to all black? The jersey looks like a H or A(Amarillo) and 64 on Colts? Perhaps old photo for '69

In any case, if you see any with less, pls share here...seems strange for the others in the set that year (popovich and perronoski) that Topps didn't black out the master...maybe they did at some point in printing, vs extra black at the end/final print?

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[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ejstel

It looks diagonal like a logo...also that he was only on the Astrosseems strange, why did the airbrush on the cap to all black? The jersey looks like a H or A(Amarillo) and 64 on Colts? Perhaps old photo for '69

In any case, if you see any with less, pls share here...seems strange for the others in the set that year (popovich and perronoski) that Topps didn't black out the master...maybe they did at some point in printing, vs extra black at the end/final print?

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There was a bizarre lawsuit involving the Astros logo in 1968 and 1969, that is why everything is airbrushed and there is no mention of the name Astros on any Topps or Fleer cards those two years. ETA, apparently the lawsuit was settled or thrown out by the time the 1969 Topps 4th Series came out and Jim Wynn and Dan Coombs have the Astros logo visible on their uniforms.

[ALR-bishop]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

There was a bizarre lawsuit involving the Astros logo in 1968 and 1969, that is why everything is airbrushed and there is no mention of the name Astros on any Topps or Fleer cards those two years. ETA, apparently the lawsuit was settled or thrown out by the time the 1969 Topps 4th Series came out and Jim Wynn and Dan Coombs have the Astros logo visible on their uniforms.

The 68 and 69 Topps sets were also impacted by stalled negotioations for a new licensing agreement between Topps and The Player's Association, now headed by Marvin Miller. Many old, capless, minor league, and obscurred cap shots in those sets. When the agreement was finally reached newer and better pictures showed up in the later 1969 series

[ejstel]

Hi the Williams and Brown are the same; a black gap on the mid bottom left and right side. I have the brown listed in a border break lot on ebay. I probably have the williams around somewhere as well.

I believe the Sizemore error is the red laser across the top?

I am not familiar with the red sox error but I will look into it.

Best,
Ed

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