What You Don’t Know About The Hobby Could Fill This Thread

[frankbmd]

There must be something you don’t know about the hobby.

Ask a question about the hobby to learn the answer.

Feel free to educate us with the answer or simply ask another question.

Who was the first collector/dealer to use the term “beater” referring to a well-loved vintage card?

[Leon]

It has to be one of the OBC guys who invented the term Beater.

Who was the first collector to complete T206 (with Doyle and Magie but no other errors)?

[ramram]

Why is the quality of the cardboard more important than the quality of the image on a vintage card? Probably more of a rhetorical question as I am guessing it's because cardboard damage can be quantified while image quality is more subjective.

Rob M

[ALR-bishop]

How do you know the definitive checklist of a "master" set ?

How do you know if a card has a "real" variation ?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

How do you know the definitive checklist of a "master" set ?

How do you know if a card has a "real" variation ?

Al, I don't think either of those questions can be answered correctly.

I am pretty sure I could easily fill a thread with my hobby knowledge. Also pretty sure a few forums could be filled with what I don't know about the hobby.

[quinnsryche]

At what point did the advertising on the back of a card become more desirable than the photo on the front?

[Jcfowler6]

Originally Posted by ramram

Why is the quality of the cardboard more important than the quality of the image on a vintage card? Probably more of a rhetorical question as I am guessing it's because cardboard damage can be quantified while image quality is more subjective.



Rob M

I was seriously talking to some about this exact thing just days ago. I said I collect moments in time and condition isn’t all that important. What do you collect? The history and art of it or paper?


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[obcmac]

Originally Posted by Leon

It has to be one of the OBC guys who invented the term Beater.

We actually call them Tiptons or Tipton Mint...after founding member and net54'er Larry Tipton (aka Guru). So I don't think we get credit for "beater".

[trdcrdkid]

I'm not positive, but I think we called cards "beaters" when I was a kid, 35-40 years ago. I don't remember ever not being aware of the term.

[KMayUSA6060]

Why haven't there been adjustments in the variety of supplies as collecting has changed? i.e. More commonly available graded card pages, especially for SGC slabs, or pages that allow for tobacco-sized toploaders.

[sycks22]

Do you cringe when people would rather have an Aaron Judge blue refractor numbered out of 50 than a '52 Topps Mantle?

[conor912]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

or pages that allow for tobacco-sized toploaders.

These fit them perfectly. You're welcome ☺️
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00IP...bPL&ref=plSrch

[steve B]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

Why haven't there been adjustments in the variety of supplies as collecting has changed? i.e. More commonly available graded card pages, especially for SGC slabs, or pages that allow for tobacco-sized toploaders.

The available supplies change, it just changes slowly. Lack of demand probably limits the pages for slabbed cards and pages for tobacco size toploaders. That some of the current stuff will work for most people also makes it a tough call to manufacture something new. Tobacco toploaders will fit in current 9 pocket pages, so making a special page might not be profitable.
They might get some traction if the A+G and Gypsy Queen minis get hot, but that's a few years away.

In the old days there were lots of choices for pages, many of them long gone. Sideloading 8 pockets? sideloading 9 pockets, 15 pocket, 12 pocket sized for 48-50 Bowmans....I haven't seen any of those in a few years, for the better in some instances.

[Jobu]

Now this is awesome!

Originally Posted by obcmac

We actually call them Tiptons or Tipton Mint...after founding member and net54'er Larry Tipton (aka Guru). So I don't think we get credit for "beater".

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Leon

Who was the first collector to complete T206 (with Doyle and Magie but no other errors)?

It must be Larry Fritsh. He discovered the first Doyle variation, and he owned a Wagner and Plank.

[slipk1068]

Has anyone ever completed T210? How far has anyone ever gotten with N172 Old Judge?

[Tom Hufford]

Originally Posted by slipk1068

Has anyone ever completed T210? How far has anyone ever gotten with N172 Old Judge?

Bill Haber had a complete set of T210s. If Paul Pollard didn't have a complete set, he was mighty close.

[JollyElm]

Why is a card that is only 'worth' $10 suddenly worth hundreds of dollars more when it is placed inside a plastic tomb with a high number by a third party grader??

[Jason]

Originally Posted by slipk1068

Has anyone ever completed T210? How far has anyone ever gotten with N172 Old Judge?

I have never seen any proof or statements from fellow collectors of a complete T210 set. There is a gentleman on the SGC registry that has a "retired" near complete set. Perhaps he had the missing cards not listed in raw form?

[ALR-bishop]

Competition

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Jason

I have never seen any proof or statements from fellow collectors of a complete T210 set. There is a gentleman on the SGC registry that has a "retired" near complete set. Perhaps he had the missing cards not listed in raw form?

Bill Haber definitely completed the set and, AFAIK, it is still together in a very advanced collection.

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by Jason

I have never seen any proof or statements from fellow collectors of a complete T210 set. There is a gentleman on the SGC registry that has a "retired" near complete set. Perhaps he had the missing cards not listed in raw form?

I know of three sets completed in the last five years as well as two sets just a few cards short (not counting the guy from New Hampshire). Hard, but not impossible to complete.

[czg123]

been trying to find out who created 9 card protector sheets and when they hit the industry!


www.athcards.com

[steve B]

Originally Posted by czg123

been trying to find out who created 9 card protector sheets and when they hit the industry!


www.athcards.com

The first ones I saw were in an album kit sold at retail. I got mine in 1974, but I'm pretty sure they were available slightly earlier.

I can't find pics on the web, so I'll have to take some when I find mine. I still have the pages too, so I'll be able to post the manufacturer.

[T205 GB]

Were T205's part of a larger set? What was the other "Subjects" they refer to?

I do believe they were part of the Bird and Military Card group. IMO

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

How were W575-2 and W502 released? They ain't strip cards.

Arthur

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by HasselhoffsCheeseburger

How were W575-2 and W502 released? They ain't strip cards.

Arthur

I remembered that I had seen that someone had determined the manufacturer of the W575-2 set, but don't recall any info on how they were distributed. They definitely are not a strip set. Here is the (partial) Wikipedia entry on them:

1922 W 575-2 are a vintage set of baseball cards originally issued by the Kromo Gravue Photo Company out of Detroit Michigan. The set contains 40 blank backed, black and white cards with a number of Hall Of Fame players. Sometimes called the "autograph on shoulder" series because of their facsimile signatures, these cards measure 2-1/8" x 3-3/8".

[Leon]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

I remembered that I had seen that someone had determined the manufacturer of the W575-2 set, but don't recall any info on how they were distributed. They definitely are not a strip set. Here is the (partial) Wikipedia entry on them:

1922 W 575-2 are a vintage set of baseball cards originally issued by the Kromo Gravue Photo Company out of Detroit Michigan. The set contains 40 blank backed, black and white cards with a number of Hall Of Fame players. Sometimes called the "autograph on shoulder" series because of their facsimile signatures, these cards measure 2-1/8" x 3-3/8".

Probably not a strip set but at least one short strip is known (not mine any longer)...Don't get me started on strip cards ....They are still the wild west for the TPG's.....

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

Originally Posted by Leon

Probably not a strip set but at least one short strip is known (not mine any longer)...Don't get me started on strip cards ....They are still the wild west for the TPG's.....

Does that count as a strip? Looking at the back, they're clearly not meant to be separated. I'd be surprised if that item had any direct connection to the set other than the manufacturer of the schedule had access to those Detroit photos and used them just as that, photos for the reverse.

Arthur

[Jcfowler6]

https://www.google.com/search?q=base...3GywhtnHVzaiM:



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[Jcfowler6]

Where did these type of things come from? And how did one obtain them?


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[Spike]

The late 40s PCL team sets for Remar Bread (Oakland), Sommer & Kaufmann (SF), and Smith's (Oakland) all use the same print size, basic design, and similar photos. Is it fair to say they're produced by the same print shop with sponsorship from those Bay Area business? If so, what shop did the actual printing?

[familytoad]

Of the many, many things I don’t know...

Which were the first cards that were numbered?

There are a few early sets that were checklisted ,but those predate numbers. Example T3, E95,96,98 ...checklist on reverse, un-numbered on the card. I suppose I don’t know which was first to provide a checklist either

[x2drich2000]

Originally Posted by familytoad

Of the many, many things I don’t know...

Which were the first cards that were numbered?

There are a few early sets that were checklisted ,but those predate numbers. Example T3, E95,96,98 ...checklist on reverse, un-numbered on the card. I suppose I don’t know which was first to provide a checklist either

Brian, not sure if they were the first, but T3, at least the checklist back, has the cards numbered as well as the checklist.

[familytoad]

Yup, I know they have the numbers on the back....but the cards aren’t numbered themselves. T3 could be the earliest checklist, but I don’t know...which Frank would say...is the point of this thread