Missing Mantle Rookie at National

[btcarfagno]

There do seem to be some print lines. The lights pole in the background.....from the far right of the lights between there and the bottom of the bat there seems to be some print marks. Could be like a fingerprint maybe? I'm not super familiar with this card but just hoping it could be the case for OP's sake.

[Fred]

Truly sucks.... if it is stolen (not accidentally lost in the shuffle of closing down shop at the National) then it would be funny as hell if the thief put it up for auction on ebay.....

Really sorry to hear about that. Crap like that just makes you feel like you've been kicked square in the nuts... hope you find it somewhere in a stack of cards when you get home.

[glynparson]

I hate hearing these stories. I go around trying to buy cards a lot and will keep my eyes open encase it makes its way to the Philly, Jersey, NY area. Hope it turns up. Did you rent showcases? maybe it slid under the pad stranger things have happened if so give Levi a call if he found one i am positive he would return it. I would also send SGC PSA and Beckett scans as large as you can so they can be on the lookout for the card. Good Luck and I hope it was something innocent and if not I hope Karma pays the a hole that took it a visit sooner rather than later.

[shagrotn77]

Sorry to hear this happened. I hope the story has a good ending. Off topic, but what is the purple label all about?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shagrotn77

Sorry to hear this happened. I hope the story has a good ending. Off topic, but what is the purple label all about?

There was a thread about them a couple weeks ago.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by shagrotn77

Off topic, but what is the purple label all about?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ghlight=purple

[CurtisFlood]

Sorry for your loss. That is a great card, one I have never owned. Had a PSA 5 1952 Mick about five years ago, but just haven't ponied up for the Bowman.

I hope something comes of this. The perpetrator likely will sell this raw rather than attempt to grade it again. I'd love to spit some beech nut in that dude's eye and shoot him with my old 45 to paraphrase Hank Jr.

[sterlingfox]

Very sorry to hear this happened to you, Greg.

On the last day of the show, I was at a dealer's table when someone (from loss prevention, I'm assuming) came up to him and told him that his table and at least 7 others nearby were not within any surveillance camera's reach for the entire show.

He also claimed that there were 10 thefts reported that day alone

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by shagrotn77

Sorry to hear this happened. I hope the story has a good ending. Off topic, but what is the purple label all about?

I think the Purple Label doubles the value (at least)..........

[Rookiemonster]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/123297285540?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/142893266010?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/401576626688?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202393187553?ul_noapp=true

Here is a sampling of 1951 Bowman Mantle that are currently available on eBay. The centering is the same. Almost any of theses card could be the missing Mantle. (Not saying they are) a that SGC is pretty nice. You can see that this card will be hard to find IMO. All the Mantles cards are in the grade range. They have pretty much the same centering.

Who ever has the card is more likely not from the area it was taken from. They could be hundreds or thousands of miles away.

Also I don’t think I ever got a receipt for a card I purchased at a show or store.
What if the card shows up? The owner says I paid you for it. I can sell a high priced card at a show then report it stolen. Right?


I mean if I seen one of theses mantles at a show tomorrow I might think HEY that’s the missing Mantle!! Or is it? Should I call the police on the spot and say I think that card could be stolen?


Sorry to be devils adovcate but if it’s cracked out it’s more likely gone. The best move would have been to crack it at the show and sell across the floor and leave.

[dio]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

https://www.ebay.com/itm/123297285540?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/142893266010?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/401576626688?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202393187553?ul_noapp=true
Here is a sampling of 1951 Bowman Mantle that are currently available on eBay. The centering is the same. Almost any of theses card could be the missing Mantle. (Not saying they are) a that SGC is pretty nice. You can see that this card will be hard to find IMO. All the Mantles cards are in the grade range. They have pretty much the same centering.

Who ever has the card is more likely not from the area it was taken from. They could be hundreds or thousands of miles away.

Also I don’t think I ever got a receipt for a card I purchased at a show or store.
What if the card shows up? The owner says I paid you for it. I can sell a high priced card at a show then report it stolen. Right?


I mean if I seen one of theses mantles at a show tomorrow I might think HEY that’s the missing Mantle!! Or is it? Should I call the police on the spot and say I think that card could be stolen?


Sorry to be devils adovcate but if it’s cracked out it’s more likely gone. The best move would have been to crack it at the show and sell across the floor and leave.

all of them are not the card he lost, he posted a pretty high resolution scan earlier in page 1, pretty easy to tell if it's the same card

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by dio

all of them are not the card he lost, he posted a pretty high resolution scan earlier in page 1, pretty easy to tell if it's the same card

Flaws like those dots are less noticable in person than a zoomed in scan. And the centering is pretty typical for 51 Mantles. I'm not so sure it would be as easy to identify down the road as some of you think.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Flaws like those dots are less noticable in person than a zoomed in scan. And the centering is pretty typical for 51 Mantles. I'm not so sure it would be as easy to identify down the road as some of you think.

I agree with that, plus how many people who might be offered the card are even going to be aware of the theft?

[orly57]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Flaws like those dots are less noticable in person than a zoomed in scan. And the centering is pretty typical for 51 Mantles. I'm not so sure it would be as easy to identify down the road as some of you think.

Could be, but I’m pretty sure the OP said it was a picture taken an hour before the theft, not some high resolution scan. I do fear that you guys may be right on this. The odds are against finding it, but hopefully someone will spot it.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

https://www.ebay.com/itm/123297285540?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/142893266010?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/401576626688?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202393187553?ul_noapp=true

Here is a sampling of 1951 Bowman Mantle that are currently available on eBay. The centering is the same. Almost any of theses card could be the missing Mantle. (Not saying they are) a that SGC is pretty nice. You can see that this card will be hard to find IMO. All the Mantles cards are in the grade range. They have pretty much the same centering.

Who ever has the card is more likely not from the area it was taken from. They could be hundreds or thousands of miles away.

Also I don’t think I ever got a receipt for a card I purchased at a show or store.
What if the card shows up? The owner says I paid you for it. I can sell a high priced card at a show then report it stolen. Right?


I mean if I seen one of theses mantles at a show tomorrow I might think HEY that’s the missing Mantle!! Or is it? Should I call the police on the spot and say I think that card could be stolen?


Sorry to be devils adovcate but if it’s cracked out it’s more likely gone. The best move would have been to crack it at the show and sell across the floor and leave.

You found some cards with similar centering, but couple the centering with these dozens of dots, and I doubt you will find another exactly like it. I don’t know why I’m only able to post small crappy pics anymore!!!

[Rookiemonster]

I know I seen the dots and I’m not saying any of these cards are the missing Mantle. So if someone wants to keep it all they have to do is ding a corner or let it sit in direct sun. The centering is very common. These little differences are not staying in anyone’s head when they are walking a show. Unless your walking around with a high resolution photo of the card you can mistake any of these for the missing Mantle.

[lowpopper]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

There do seem to be some print lines. The lights pole in the background.....from the far right of the lights between there and the bottom of the bat there seems to be some print marks. Could be like a fingerprint maybe? I'm not super familiar with this card but just hoping it could be the case for OP's sake.

I appreciate the idea but this is a picture I took of the card about
an hour before it “disappeared”.

A healthy reward is in order.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by lowpopper

I appreciate the idea but this is a picture I took of the card about
an hour before it “disappeared”.

A healthy reward is in order.

That freaking sucks Greg....seems like every year you hear stories of cards like these disappearing at the National. Horrible, horrible feeling.

[orly57]

I’m sure the thief will break it out of the holder and eventually send to grade. With that thick bottom border and the multiple print dots, I think it’s a card that would stick out to a grader if you notify psa and sgc to keep an eye out for you. I don’t know about psa, but I’m sure that Dave and the guys at SGC would look out for new 51 mantle submissions if you showed them a pic.

[Rookiemonster]

Sorry to hear about your card. I hope it finds it way home.

What ever happened to Rob Schneider's 1951 Willie Mays ? How does a card with such a high profile just disappear?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a30ca1a26f7f

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a30ca1a26f7f

...so absorbed in this story my coffee grew cold....wow ...just wow...

..

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Sorry to hear about your card. I hope it finds it way home.

What ever happened to Rob Schneider's 1951 Willie Mays ? How does a card with such a high profile just disappear?

Probably the same way a missing painting worth millions does. Its sold on the black market and sits in a private collection for years.

I had a similar scare last year with my 51 Mantle but luckily my story had a happy ending. Hopefully yours will have the same.

[1952boyntoncollector]

if there was an owner registry..someone would look up the Cert and see it belongs to someone else

the crook will have to crack it out and it can then be sold like a painting....................... of course the value would go down if sold with no holder or if re submit may get a lesser grade , however you would hope you can send a picture of the card to SGC and PSA and they can be on the lookout for any new submissions..

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by orly57

I’m sure the thief will break it out of the holder and eventually send to grade. With that thick bottom border and the multiple print dots, I think it’s a card that would stick out to a grader if you notify psa and sgc to keep an eye out for you. I don’t know about psa, but I’m sure that Dave and the guys at SGC would look out for new 51 mantle submissions if you showed them a pic.

Why take that chance? It's found money as a raw card.

[MikeGarcia]

Does Homeowners' Insurance offer coverage in an instance like this ? Property theft , just not physically in the home at the time ?

.. I'm sure they will want a police report , etc. etc.

..

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

Does Homeowners' Insurance offer coverage in an instance like this ? Property theft , just not physically in the home at the time ?

.. I'm sure they will want a police report , etc. etc.

..

Most home insurance policies have small limits on collectibles. I'm not sure if collect insure would cover a loss outside of the home.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why take that chance? It's found money as a raw card.

Did you just ask why a guy who brazenly stole a 10k card from a dealer at a national card convention would “take that chance?” If criminals didn’t take chances, I would be a Literature Professor at the University of Miami. Either way, the logic applies: the card is pretty unique, and should be spotted by anyone who is aware that it was stolen. The fantastic left-to-right centering, coupled with the 95/5 (or so) top-to-bottom centering and multiple print dots are, as someone wrote, “a fingerprint.” It wouldn’t hurt to ask psa and sgc to keep an eye out.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by orly57

Did you just ask why a guy who brazenly stole a 10k card from a dealer at a national card convention would “take that chance?” If criminals didn’t take chances, I would be a Literature Professor at the University of Miami. Either way, the logic applies: the card is pretty unique, and should be spotted by anyone who is aware that it was stolen. The fantastic left-to-right centering, coupled with the 95/5 (or so) top-to-bottom centering and multiple print dots are, as someone wrote, “a fingerprint.” It wouldn’t hurt to ask psa and sgc to keep an eye out.

Just because a guy takes a chance when he robs the bank doesn't mean he's going to compound his chances of getting caught by trying to deposit the stack of bills at another bank. I don't think your logic is right, really. I hope he trips up and gets caught, of course, but I am not optimistic.