I'm Sick And Tired

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Technically, "generalizations are dangerous in all cases" is an absolute statement, not a generalization.

Generally speaking, I avoid generalizations. Is this actually logical or is it a Yogi-ism type statement?

[ALR-bishop]

Yes

[ALBB]

Yea !
Im sick and tired of it too !!

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Generally speaking, I avoid generalizations. Is this actually logical or is it a Yogi-ism type statement?

To play the straight man in the joke here...

A statement that is a claim to fact is true or false. To be true, it must be true in all instances it declares. A generalization usually differs from an absolute statement in that the speaker knows it is not actually true and so removes the "all". "All police cars have sirens" is an absolute statement to fact (and a false one), "police cars have sirens" is its generalized form that removes the direct declarative, because it isn't always true and thus, technically, is false, but would be true in most solitary cases and thus it is implied to be "all" while leaving the speaker the wiggle room to not have to account for those that do not.

"I don't use generalizations" would be a claim to fact.

"I avoid generalizations" is a statement that essentially means nothing from an Aristotelian perspective, as a generalization. "Avoid" signifies an opinion that the speaker does not like them and prefers a choice, rather than a real claim to fact, and it's meaning directly leaves room to still use them sometimes. "I avoid generalizations" is a carefully phrased expression of a generalization that has shifted from a formulation that is a claim of fact to an opinion that can be neither right nor wrong.

As it is a generalization in its structure already, the "generally speaking" prefix serves no purpose beyond the comedic, and thus creates a yogi-ism, a line defined by its absurdity and not meant to be taken seriously.

You are all welcome for the most boring post of the day.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Excellent analysis.

What of course makes the Yogi isms so great is that although they make no sense logically they do make some sense. Take the immortal, nobody goes there any more, it's too crowded.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Excellent analysis.

What of course makes the Yogi isms so great is that although they make no sense logically they do make some sense. Take the immortal, nobody goes there any more, it's too crowded.

My favorite nonsensical Yogiism that kind of makes sense somehow is the classic “if you come to a fork in the road, take it”. It’s a silly absurdity, or a pithy reminder that indecision is the worst of choices and choosing wrong is better than not to choose; instead of standing at the fork forever, just take a path.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

My favorite nonsensical Yogiism that kind of makes sense somehow is the classic “if you come to a fork in the road, take it”. It’s a silly absurdity, or a pithy reminder that indecision is the worst of choices and choosing wrong is better than not to choose; instead of standing at the fork forever, just take a path.

That is my second favorite, also very brilliant especially in light of the Frost poem.

[Econteachert205]

I got back into the hobby in 2012 and the hobby has become pretty insufferable since the pandemic started and more and more money flowed in. My collection has been pretty much dormant for the past 3-4 years.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That is my second favorite, also very brilliant especially in light of the Frost poem.

That’s probably why I like it. Frost is a wonderful example of the artistic truth, the things that can not fit into a strict logic problem and do not check out as true, but still instruct us on understanding the world and living life. I read only nonfiction until one of my teachers gave me Frost’s Complete Poems and sold me on the notion that there could be an understanding of truth in the inherent untruth of fiction.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

That’s probably why I like it. Frost is a wonderful example of the artistic truth, the things that can not fit into a strict logic problem and do not check out as true, but still instruct us on understanding the world and living life. I read only nonfiction until one of my teachers gave me Frost’s Complete Poems and sold me on the notion that there could be an understanding of truth in the inherent untruth of fiction.

Not his best known, but perhaps my personal favorite.
https://www.thepoetryhour.com/poems/desert-places

[Fred]

Those that don't understand the OPs frustration might consider the following:

Many "collectors" started in this "hobby" decades ago when it was actually fun to find some nice cardboard at a reasonable price and to continue to add to a "collection". I think in most cases, these older "collectors" never considered this "hobby" as an investment or an inflationary hedge, they collected for the love of collecting.

Enter "grading". Misrepresentation, coin doctors and poor subjectivity of coins screwed up that "hobby".

Now the grading of cardboard has brought in an element of "gotta have the best in the world". Population reports and investors start to get into the "hobby" and turn it upside down by leading it into an era where there's a focus on $$$/value rather than just collecting cardboard.

Now go back to that collector who had a passion to continually add to a true collection of cardboard because it was a fun, affordable past time. Now it's a true shit show of card manipulators, thieves and greed. That last statement doesn't mean that EVERYONE is like that, quite to the contrary, especially most people on this board. It's just unfortunate for "collectors" that liked to collect for the fund of "collecting".

Older "collectors" on limited budgets may find it very challenging to continue to add to their collections because it's not economically possible or the collector has just had enough and is saying "no mas, I give up".

I continue to collect because it's something that's been part of my life for a very long time. Is it enjoyable? I think it still is, but if you used to collect a long time ago, then you find hobby dollars don't go near as far as they used to.

With the increase in "value" for cardboard, there's a larger increase in the amount of fraud and butt heads that want to "influence" collectors and end up making it worse for the pure collector.

Yes, this is just a hobby, but for some it's been a part of their life for a LONG time and now it's just not fun anymore for many of those old time "collectors".

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by Fred

Those that don't understand the OPs frustration might consider the following:

Many "collectors" started in this "hobby" decades ago when it was actually fun to find some nice cardboard at a reasonable price and to continue to add to a "collection". I think in most cases, these older "collectors" never considered this "hobby" as an investment or an inflationary hedge, they collected for the love of collecting.

Enter "grading". Misrepresentation, coin doctors and poor subjectivity of coins screwed up that "hobby".

Now the grading of cardboard has brought in an element of "gotta have the best in the world". Population reports and investors start to get into the "hobby" and turn it upside down by leading it into an era where there's a focus on $$$/value rather than just collecting cardboard.

Now go back to that collector who had a passion to continually add to a true collection of cardboard because it was a fun, affordable past time. Now it's a true shit show of card manipulators, thieves and greed. That last statement doesn't mean that EVERYONE is like that, quite to the contrary, especially most people on this board. It's just unfortunate for "collectors" that liked to collect for the fund of "collecting".

Older "collectors" on limited budgets may find it very challenging to continue to add to their collections because it's not economically possible or the collector has just had enough and is saying "no mas, I give up".

I continue to collect because it's something that's been part of my life for a very long time. Is it enjoyable? I think it still is, but if you used to collect a long time ago, then you find hobby dollars don't go near as far as they used to.

With the increase in "value" for cardboard, there's a larger increase in the amount of fraud and butt heads that want to "influence" collectors and end up making it worse for the pure collector.

Yes, this is just a hobby, but for some it's been a part of their life for a LONG time and now it's just not fun anymore for many of those old time "collectors".

Great post!

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Fred

Those that don't understand the OPs frustration might consider the following:

Many "collectors" started in this "hobby" decades ago when it was actually fun to find some nice cardboard at a reasonable price and to continue to add to a "collection". I think in most cases, these older "collectors" never considered this "hobby" as an investment or an inflationary hedge, they collected for the love of collecting.

Enter "grading". Misrepresentation, coin doctors and poor subjectivity of coins screwed up that "hobby".

Now the grading of cardboard has brought in an element of "gotta have the best in the world". Population reports and investors start to get into the "hobby" and turn it upside down by leading it into an era where there's a focus on $$$/value rather than just collecting cardboard.

Now go back to that collector who had a passion to continually add to a true collection of cardboard because it was a fun, affordable past time. Now it's a true shit show of card manipulators, thieves and greed. That last statement doesn't mean that EVERYONE is like that, quite to the contrary, especially most people on this board. It's just unfortunate for "collectors" that liked to collect for the fund of "collecting".

Older "collectors" on limited budgets may find it very challenging to continue to add to their collections because it's not economically possible or the collector has just had enough and is saying "no mas, I give up".

I continue to collect because it's something that's been part of my life for a very long time. Is it enjoyable? I think it still is, but if you used to collect a long time ago, then you find hobby dollars don't go near as far as they used to.

With the increase in "value" for cardboard, there's a larger increase in the amount of fraud and butt heads that want to "influence" collectors and end up making it worse for the pure collector.

Yes, this is just a hobby, but for some it's been a part of their life for a LONG time and now it's just not fun anymore for many of those old time "collectors".

I have a friend who has lived in Austin, TX for the last 40 years. Every time I visit, the city has changed, grown, evolved. Whenever I mention it, he responds, "Everyone who moves to Austin wants it to stay exactly how it was when they moved here."

I guess our own little hobby isn't that different in many ways.