WOW! 1960 Yaz rookie PSA 9

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by thenextlevel

I really don't think that he is all that popular/mythical outside of the Boston area, although when it comes to key rookies in 60's baseball cards, he is in the top ten, arguably top 5(only Rose and Ryan clearly ahead). I think that's the driving force behind this card, more than just Yaz himself.

I don't follow, if he is a key rookie it is because of his popularity, no?

[thenextlevel]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't follow, if he is a key rookie it is because of his popularity, no?

No. It is because if you are a collector of key rookie cards, then he is one of the few Hall of Famers with cards in the sixties. It doesn't mean Yaz would be considered a top Hall of Famer by baseball standards. Let's separate the hobby side of his popularity from the sporting side. I am not saying he is not popular, but you seem to be insinuating that he is thought of as one baseball's most revered players, bc he played for the Red Sox.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by thenextlevel

No. It is because if you are a collector of key rookie cards, then he is one of the few Hall of Famers with cards in the sixties. It doesn't mean Yaz would be considered a top Hall of Famer by baseball standards. Let's separate the hobby side of his popularity from the sporting side. I am not saying he is not popular, but you seem to be insinuating that he is thought of as one baseball's most revered players, bc he played for the Red Sox.

One of the few?
Define few.

Yaz
McCovey
Williams
Santo
Marichal
Perry
Brock
Stargell
(Rose)
Niekro
Hunter
Perez
Morgan
Carlton
Sutton
Jenkins
Palmer
Carew
Seaver
Bench
Ryan
Fingers
Jackson

Not a small number by my standards.

[Rookiemonster]

Wow Lou Gehrig was a BEAST on the road (and at home)!

I know a few old Yankee fans and they remember him as great. One has told me that it was his favorite player. Blasphemy I know..... I wonder what his numbers in Yankee stadium were?

[thenextlevel]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One of the few?
Define few.

Yaz
McCovey
Williams
Santo
Marichal
Perry
Brock
Stargell
(Rose)
Niekro
Hunter
Perez
Morgan
Carlton
Sutton
Jenkins
Palmer
Carew
Seaver
Bench
Ryan
Fingers
Jackson

Not a small number by my standards.

Yes, but how many on this list would you want before Yaz?

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by thenextlevel

Yes, but how many on this list would you want before Yaz?

Seaver, Bench, Ryan, Jackson

[thenextlevel]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Seaver, Bench, Ryan, Jackson

And then Yaz? Where would he rank? Top 25%, 50%?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Seaver, Bench, Ryan, Jackson

Carew (high number, 7 batting titles). Rose. Morgan. So for me Yaz is at best 8th on the 60s list.

[thenextlevel]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Carew (high number, 7 batting titles). Rose. Morgan. So for me Yaz is at best 8th on the 60s list.

Well, since all of these rookie cards are relatively equal to obtain, I assume that if the 1960 Yaz is ranked that highly, it is because that he is considered a more superior ball player than the rest(ex: Carew batting titles). This goes back to my original point of Yaz being a worthy Hall of Famer, and that he didn't just get in on popularity. Otherwise, how would his card be ranked higher than 50% of the Hall of Famers that you listed.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Carew (high number, 7 batting titles). Rose. Morgan. So for me Yaz is at best 8th on the 60s list.

I Agree Peter, maybe even lower for me. This guy hit .260 on the road for his career! Yes, a ton of All-Star appearances, but these are voted on by the fans. This gets me back to the Boston/ Fenway mystique supporting his popularity....Everybody loved Yaz and Fisk....

[tedzan]

Hey guys,

This discussion is approaching the "ridiculous".

Forget the numbers, or whatever gobbly-gook some of you are saying against Yaz being a HOFer.

Yaz is one of only two post-WWII ballplayers who have stepped into the "footprints" of a legend and succeeded in Baseball.

The other guy is Mantle...... Incidently guys, I am not a Red Sox fan.

If you stop for a moment to consider the importance of what I am stating here, you will realize how significant this factor is
in sports. Many have tried, and failed. I cannot think of any other ballplayers having succeeded in this situation to the extent
that Yaz and Mantle did.







TED Z
.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey guys,

This discussion is approaching the "ridiculous".

Forget the numbers, or whatever gobbly-gook some of you are saying against Yaz being a HOFer.

Yaz is one of only two post-WWII ballplayers who have stepped into the "footprints" of a legend and succeeded in Baseball.

The other guy is Mantle...... Incidently guys, I am not a Red Sox fan.

If you stop for a moment to consider the importance of what I am stating here, you will realize how significant this factor is
in sports. Many have tried, and failed. I cannot think of any other ballplayers having succeeded in this situation to the extent
that Yaz and Mantle did.







TED Z
.

And while they overlapped with Yaz moving to first or DH, whereas Yaz never played with Ted, a pretty decent player named Jim Rice took over in left field in turn for Yaz.