Vintage Racing?

[ezez420]

There aren’t many out there at all. The card is a short print along with CP Rodgers. Both died during the release. The card is as rare or rarer than the McKinley and Weightlifter Card


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[Bored5000]

I picked up a type card tonight from an extremely rare racing game dating to either 1937 or 1938. I had never even seen an example of the cards before, but a seller listed 46 different cards in individual auctions from what was obviously a board game. The game contains driver cards from all the stars of the day and many of the past Indianapolis 500 winners.

I occasionally do eBay searches of the some of the early Indy winners, and had never seen even seen a driver type card from the game prior to the past few days. The cards are intriguing, since the that era is such a black hole of racing cards.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-193...p2047675.l2557

I mostly struck out trying to find additional information on the game via a Google search. I could not find even a single past sale of the game or any of the driver cards. Surprisingly, the only additional information I was able to find through Google came via a Beckett checklist for the game that shows 48 different cards.

https://www.beckett.com/racing/1937/...-indy-500-game

[Bored5000]

After making payment for the Frank Lockhart card I won, I wrote the eBay seller asking if he could provide any additional information on the game and its cards. The seller did not know a lot, but he did have some interesting information:


"I purchased the cards several years ago, hoping to find the game that accompanied them but only recently was able to figure out what the game was. I had all of the information on a Word file on my computer and, just yesterday, my hard drive failed; and, to make matters worse, my back-up disk (external drive) was somehow wiped clean. I believe I was able to piece together information on the game from the results of an auction house and from a copy of the game at Indianapolis Motor Speedway Museum that I located through wikimedia. Here's the link.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...board_game.jpg

eBay sometimes removes links from communications between members so do a Google search for '1938 Indy 500 board game.' Look at images on the search and it should be on the right hand side of the fourth row down.

It would appear to be an exceptionally rare game that, to the best of my knowledge, has only sold once at auction.

Sadly, I purchased the cards so long ago that I no longer know where I did so. In the 1990s, I would go antiquing in Ohio and Indiana so it seems likely that it was on one of those trips. I just can't be sure."

[indy500autographs]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

After making payment for the Frank Lockhart card I won, I wrote the eBay seller asking if he could provide any additional information on the game and its cards. The seller did not know a lot, but he did have some interesting information:


"I purchased the cards several years ago, hoping to find the game that accompanied them but only recently was able to figure out what the game was. I had all of the information on a Word file on my computer and, just yesterday, my hard drive failed; and, to make matters worse, my back-up disk (external drive) was somehow wiped clean. I believe I was able to piece together information on the game from the results of an auction house and from a copy of the game at Indianapolis Motor Speedway Museum that I located through wikimedia. Here's the link.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...board_game.jpg

eBay sometimes removes links from communications between members so do a Google search for '1938 Indy 500 board game.' Look at images on the search and it should be on the right hand side of the fourth row down.

It would appear to be an exceptionally rare game that, to the best of my knowledge, has only sold once at auction.

Sadly, I purchased the cards so long ago that I no longer know where I did so. In the 1990s, I would go antiquing in Ohio and Indiana so it seems likely that it was on one of those trips. I just can't be sure."

I think this is a vastly underrated set. I recently suggested it to my friend Kin who I believe is also a member here. The Wilbur Shaw board game turns up from time to time at auction, but never with the cards, just the board and the “packaging”.

[Beansballcardblog]

Eddie,

Which of these cards did you pick up. I remember seeing these on eBay and just couldn't go strong at the time. I just wanted a type card myself.

I haven't been on N54 much but am once again shifting my focus back toward the vintage Indy 500 stuff. One of my biggest shortcomings in my inability to focus. I've still been slowly picking up some of the vintage cards and I assume have been bidding against some other members.

Hope all is well!
-kin

Originally Posted by Bored5000

I picked up a type card tonight from an extremely rare racing game dating to either 1937 or 1938. I had never even seen an example of the cards before, but a seller listed 46 different cards in individual auctions from what was obviously a board game. The game contains driver cards from all the stars of the day and many of the past Indianapolis 500 winners.

I occasionally do eBay searches of the some of the early Indy winners, and had never seen even seen a driver type card from the game prior to the past few days. The cards are intriguing, since the that era is such a black hole of racing cards.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-193...p2047675.l2557

I mostly struck out trying to find additional information on the game via a Google search. I could not find even a single past sale of the game or any of the driver cards. Surprisingly, the only additional information I was able to find through Google came via a Beckett checklist for the game that shows 48 different cards.

https://www.beckett.com/racing/1937/...-indy-500-game

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Beansballcardblog

Eddie,

Which of these cards did you pick up. I remember seeing these on eBay and just couldn't go strong at the time. I just wanted a type card myself.

I haven't been on N54 much but am once again shifting my focus back toward the vintage Indy 500 stuff. One of my biggest shortcomings in my inability to focus. I've still been slowly picking up some of the vintage cards and I assume have been bidding against some other members.

Hope all is well!
-kin

I picked up Frank Lockhart. I wanted a 500 winner as my type card. Lockhart is interesting story, having won the Indy 500 and setting a land speed record before dying on another land speed record attempt (the video is on YouTube).

I know it is not vintage, but I have been following the Topps Formula 1 releases of the past year. Many of the auction prices, especially for Hamilton and Verstappen, are mind blowing to me. I have not picked up any of those cards yet, but I will. Even prices of early Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher cards from the 1980s and '90s have exploded over the past year.

I picked up a Mulford T227 card, which I have wanted for a while, recently from a board member. I have also started working on a T36 basic set. I currently at 10/25 cards on that.

Happy to see you are still around and still collecting racing.

[Beansballcardblog]

I haven't gotten much into the F! because honestly, I just don't find the racing interesting. I bought a Lewis Hamilton refractor on COMC, so I might have it by 2025.

I'm in the Montgomery Club, so I also have a box of the F1 Sapphire. I may open it, or if prices rise I might sell it. Not really sure.

Congrats on the T227 Mulford. I was able to get one last year and will probably pick up more if I happen to see them.

We should chat on the T36 cards. I am at 69/100 on the master set and have at least a dozen multiples. Maybe I have one or two you need.

I'm definitely still around. Like my actual collecting, I have trouble with focus on sites. I used to write, but now I am mostly on YouTube. I've really neglected Net54 and TCDB over the last 2-3 years but am starting to get back to it.

Hopefully I stay focused this time. I've discovered that I just don't care much for current sports or cards, so hopefully I've gotten to the point I can achieve focus.

-kin

Originally Posted by Bored5000

I picked up Frank Lockhart. I wanted a 500 winner as my type card. Lockhart is interesting story, having won the Indy 500 and setting a land speed record before dying on another land speed record attempt (the video is on YouTube).

I know it is not vintage, but I have been following the Topps Formula 1 releases of the past year. Many of the auction prices, especially for Hamilton and Verstappen, are mind blowing to me. I have not picked up any of those cards yet, but I will. Even prices of early Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher cards from the 1980s and '90s have exploded over the past year.

I picked up a Mulford T227 card, which I have wanted for a while, recently from a board member. I have also started working on a T36 basic set. I currently at 10/25 cards on that.

Happy to see you are still around and still collecting racing.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Beansballcardblog

I haven't gotten much into the F! because honestly, I just don't find the racing interesting. I bought a Lewis Hamilton refractor on COMC, so I might have it by 2025.

I'm in the Montgomery Club, so I also have a box of the F1 Sapphire. I may open it, or if prices rise I might sell it. Not really sure.

Congrats on the T227 Mulford. I was able to get one last year and will probably pick up more if I happen to see them.

We should chat on the T36 cards. I am at 69/100 on the master set and have at least a dozen multiples. Maybe I have one or two you need.

I'm definitely still around. Like my actual collecting, I have trouble with focus on sites. I used to write, but now I am mostly on YouTube. I've really neglected Net54 and TCDB over the last 2-3 years but am starting to get back to it.

Hopefully I stay focused this time. I've discovered that I just don't care much for current sports or cards, so hopefully I've gotten to the point I can achieve focus.

-kin

You're not wrong about the excitement level of F1, but I have started to get into what is out there historically for the all-time greats of the series. I am not much of a modern collector, but I do think the Topps Chrome/Sapphire cards are really nice. I think there is upside possibility with Lewis Hamilton cards, especially if he does get an eighth championship. I also think the same about some of the F2 autograph cards that can be had for very little.

I was mistaken earlier. I am actually at 11/25 on the T36 set. I am just putting together a set of 25 drivers in G/VG condition. The drivers I have so far are Chevrolet, Christie, DePalma, Dingley, Fournier, Janatzy, Michener, Nazzaro, Oldfield, Robertson and Szisz

[Beansballcardblog]

My spares might be on the lower end. My set building method is getting one of each card (so long as the price is right) and then upgrading later. Actually just got a couple in yesterday that were upgrades.

With them not coming available that often, I had to make some adjustments to what I'm doing in order to keep adding to the collection.

[robertsmithnocure]

Originally Posted by ezez420

There aren’t many out there at all. The card is a short print along with CP Rodgers. Both died during the release. The card is as rare or rarer than the McKinley and Weightlifter Card

It looks like both the Brown and Rodgers cards are equally rare with 4 or so PSA graded examples. What is the reason for the Brown card currently selling for so much more than the Rodgers? Is it because he is an auto racer rather than an aviator, or is it something else?