Hey....Abbott?

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Posted By: Patrick McMenemy

I recently picked up Carlos Bauer's book, "The Early Coast League Statistical Record, 1903-1957." It's a must have reference for early PCL player identification.

In the book, the catcher who played for Los Angeles in 1911 is identified as Pete Abbott. I noticed a lot of checklists have the player as Fred Abbott, a player that played in the Majors. Ironically he's listed as Harry Frederick Abbott, but was born as Harry Frederick Winbigler. Fred Abbott was primarily a catcher from 1903-1905. He caught for both the Cleveland Indians and the Philadelphia Phillies.

Is this a case of an incorrect checklist listing or did the player use a nickname?

Here's the card in question, and here's Fred Abbott's T206 with Toledo:






Fred Abbott also died in Los Angeles.

Thanks,

Patrick

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Posted By: robert a

Patrick,

It sure looks like the same guy on both cards.

Rob

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Posted By: Patrick McMenemy

Hey Robert,

Thanks for the response. I agree the cards show the same individual. However, is it Pete Abbott or Fred Abbott?

Patrick

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Posted By: Jantz

It could be the same guy. They both look alike & played the same position. Probably just incorrect info or a clerical error on the production part.

Jantz

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Posted By: Jantz

Both right-handed also.


Jantz

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

It is the same guy - Fred Abbott...the PCL book either has his first name wrong or he went by the nickname 'Pete'. He played for Toledo from 1906-1910 and he played one year in the PCL with LA in 1911.

edited spelling

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

Harry Frederick (Fred) Abbott
1901-02 New Orleans (SA)
1903-04 Cleveland (AL)
1904 Columbus (AA)
1905 Philadelphia (NL)
1906-10 Toledo (AA)
1911 Los Angeles (PCL)

-Rhett

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Posted By: Patrick McMenemy

Thanks for the responses!

Rhett,

I sent you an email a few days back regarding a possible trade involving a Street E254 that you have on your wantlist.

Not sure if you received the email since I never received a response or whether a spam filter grabbed it.

Let me know if you received the email.

Thanks,

Patrick

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Posted By: Jason L

can't help you on your questions, but wanted to chime in regarding the book. I just picked up a copy a couple weeks ago, and while I haven't had a chance to really study it much yet, I agree. I am thrilled with the amount of info. I should be able to extract the vast majority of my cousins' playing stats from this ...info I had never before been able to find!

great stuff.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Gene Handley
Year League Clubs G AB H 2B 3B HR AVG SLG
1935BISTMt. Airy64252811223.321.421
1936BISTMt. Airy923721501485.403.524
1936PIEDDurham154110000.244.244
1937PIEDDurham1325131432674.279.380
1938ELAlbany1214081161594.284.395
1939ELAlbany/Hartford1013711001254.270.361
1940PCLSacramento1153771032031.273.350
1941PCLSacramento1183261022571.313.442
1942PCLSacramento89312801090.256.346
1944PCLSacramento1344991291050.259.299
1945PCLSacramento1756952102751.302.360
1948PCLHollywood1274421422282.321.421
1949PCLHollywood1815201532251.294.362
1950PCLHollywood1605481593351.290.374
1951PCLHollywood1415241421840.271.321
1952PCLHollywood1314561252310.274.329
1953PCLHollywood1374281111321.259.306
1954CALLStockton7417851501.287.331

Lee Handley
YearLeagueClubsGAB H2B3BHR AVGSLG
1935ILToronto1304521231496.272.383
1936ILToronto1093901161676.297.421
1942ILToronto6917036420.212.259
1943ILToronto84290701130.241.300
1948PCLSan Diego1817032114035.300.387
1949ILBaltimore9433769822.205.258
1949PCLSan Diego
Los Angeles5220257901.282.342
1950PCLLos Angeles8252001.080.200
1950SOUAChattanooga175112010.235.275

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Posted By: Jason L

This is awesome!
Thank you...email coming to you shortly
Jason