Card doctoring debacle

[1952boyntoncollector]

Can just collect altered cards i guess.

The cards are still real ..if paying at altered prices i dont see how these cards cant be in the hobby and its buy the card not holder.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Can just collect altered cards i guess.

The cards are still real ..if paying at altered prices i dont see how these cards cant be in the hobby and its buy the card not holder.

Great post Jake. I have been doing that for years. As long as the seller is honest I have no problem buying altered card. I got a 39 Ted Williams rookie cheap because it was altered.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Can just collect altered cards i guess.

The cards are still real ..if paying at altered prices i dont see how these cards cant be in the hobby and its buy the card not holder.

Yes, it all comes down to pricing. Everything has a financial value, but it matters what is the value. If you're pricing everything as altered-- or, at least, as if it isn't not altered--, you have no financial issue. The only practical problem is some rube will price it as a PSA unaltered 7.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by drcy

Yes, it all comes down to pricing. Everything has a financial value, but it matters what is the value. If you're pricing everything as altered-- or, at least, as if it isn't not altered--, you have no financial issue. The only practical problem is some rube will price it as a PSA unaltered 7.

Pricing and honesty. Selling an altered card as a numerically graded card is kinda the problem.

[perezfan]

Almost every segment of Memorabilia already has its fakes, fantasies, and reproduced items. Whether it’s autographs, photos, Pennants, Statues, trophies, engraved relics, bobble heads, contracts, game used items, antique equipment or ad signs, there is always someone ready and willing to pass off bogus items as being old and original.

The only remedy is to know your stuff. And that only comes from years of learning and experience... and making some mistakes along the way (we all have). And for the umpteenth time, there is nothing wrong with restoration as long as it’s properly described and disclosed.

As for the untold number of outright fakes... slimy characters exist wherever the perception of easy money resides. Luckily for Memorabilia collectors, there is no PSA (or other self-proclaimed expert) taking our money in exchange for bogus grading scales and the inability to tell real from fake.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Pricing and honesty. Selling an altered card as a numerically graded card is kinda the problem.

Well now part of the vocabulary/arsenal for buyers when they see graded cards in bargaining will be 'i think the card was altered' and make the seller re-submit the card for a re grade if he wants the price of the numerical grade or else take less.

yeah, the seller doesnt have to do that or sell the card to that guy but overall prices will fall as less buyers will in the buyer pool , and for a card thats $2000, if the money is already going to be paid if the card proves ok on a regrade then i can see sellers doing that if the purchase price would make them enough profit.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Well now part of the vocabulary/arsenal for buyers when they see graded cards in bargaining will be 'i think the card was altered' and make the seller re-submit the card for a re grade if he wants the price of the numerical grade or else take less.

yeah, the seller doesnt have to do that or sell the card to that guy but overall prices will fall as less buyers will in the buyer pool , and for a card thats $2000, if the money is already going to be paid if the card proves ok on a regrade then i can see sellers doing that if the purchase price would make them enough profit.

With 3, 6, 9 and 12 month turnaround times at the TPGs, there clearly will be buyers who will have a change of heart about the purchase by the time it has been re-graded, but there is a solution.

Just have Brent look at it.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

With 3, 6, 9 and 12 month turnaround times at the TPGs, there clearly will be buyers who will have a change of heart about the purchase by the time it has been re-graded, but there is a solution.

Just have Brent look at it.

yeah but money can be held in trust with a third party...again the profit margin has to worth it for the seller

but if you are only being offered a psa 5 offer for a psa 7 card because of concerns of trimming altered debacle and you now have a psa 7 offer price worth thousands more, i can see sellers willing to wait, especially with a shrinking buyer pool who are buying the holder and not the card..

i think the new ebay mantra will change from 'worthy of a bump' to 'confirmed not altered'