1951 Vets Benefit- Giants VS Red Sox ticket stub- PSA Disappointment!!!

[VintageHoarder]

Handling the volume is very simple: with the help of owners willing to submit info of their own personal findings, then that will make PSAs job easier. State where they found the info and let research team confirm it. How hard is that? PSA doesn't want to do their job. If it's too much for them to accurately grade/label tickets and refuse to take any info from owners, then they simply don't need to grade them. They have a job to do and tickets require research...exhibition game or not

[VintageHoarder]

They could always limit the number of submissions they're willing to take. It's not hard to figure this out. Again, they are being PAID to do a job. It's like ordering a dressed cheeseburger from Wendys and getting back a plain burger, then when you complain, you get told to live with it. This is not how customer service works.

[VintageHoarder]

And what if PSA told you they didn't want to relabel your tickets the way you wanted, though? I'm sure you wouldn't be so happy with them. Sure, you got what you wanted, but what if you didn't? See, its easy to dismiss someone else's misfortune and defend PSA when you are one of the ones that got lucky and wasn't rejected. Of course it's easy to defend them...you got treated right.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by VintageHoarder

And what if PSA told you they didn't want to relabel your tickets the way you wanted, though? I'm sure you wouldn't be so happy with them. Sure, you got what you wanted, but what if you didn't? See, its easy to dismiss someone else's misfortune and defend PSA when you are one of the ones that got lucky and wasn't rejected. Of course it's easy to defend them...you got treated right.

Not dismissing your experience. I’m just saying that the proliferation of graded ticket I can see why this is running into problems. Everyone wants a label making their ticket pop. Including me.

Honestly I can see a reasonable basis for them to say we are not going to treat an exhibition game as an official marker of any kind of performance based stat.

[Snapolit1]

Here's an example unrelated to your situation. My 1943 War Bonds game ticket. Widely hailed as "Babe Ruth's final homerun". Was it? Well, it was his last homerun in a major league park. In an exhibition game. And PSA does not say "Babe Ruth's Final Homerun" on the flip.

Would "Babe Ruth's Final HR" be deceiving? I'd say yes. Babe Ruth's "final" hometun was in an official MLB game.
And Jackie Robinson's last game was in Brooklyn, not Japan.

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Here's an example unrelated to your situation. My 1943 War Bonds game ticket. Widely hailed as "Babe Ruth's final homerun". Was it? Well, it was his last homerun in a major league park. In an exhibition game. And PSA does not say "Babe Ruth's Final Homerun" on the flip.

Would "Babe Ruth's Final HR" be deceiving? I'd say yes. Babe Ruth's "final" hometun was in an official MLB game.
And Jackie Robinson's last game was in Brooklyn, not Japan.

Nice to know at least two of us understand the PSA quandary.

Are we an independent arbiter who make our own objective determinations or do we let our customers dictate our opinions and verbiage?

Easy call every time.

[VintageHoarder]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Not dismissing your experience. I’m just saying that the proliferation of graded ticket I can see why this is running into problems. Everyone wants a label making their ticket pop. Including me.

Honestly I can see a reasonable basis for them to say we are not going to treat an exhibition game as an official marker of any kind of performance based stat.

Of course everyone wants their labels to read what they want. Thats why PSA is getting paid. It's not even about them not even labeling it anymore at this point, it's about how they handled the entire situation. To turn down a customer and tell them they're wrong when they're offering legit information for their ticket is arrogant and completely uncalled for. The ticket obviously was never about stats, it was about the first and only game that Mays played at Fenway. A regular season ticket does not exist of this, so all in all, this ticket should be an exception.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by VintageHoarder

The ticket ... the first and only game that Mays played at Fenway.

If I was the opinion seller, I would ask that you prove your statement, IF I cared about you or your ticket.

Doug "they are not Faith No More" Goodman

[VintageHoarder]

Look at spring training rookie photographs of players like Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays: are those insignificant, because those photos were taken during an exhibition period of their career? Lets look at this from PSAs point of view; According to PSA, these also would be insignificant collectibles, because they are not "official". Yes, that would include the first time Mantle truly dressed in a Yankee uniform...it is unofficial and doesn't "count". A rookie is a rookie and a game is a game....no matter how you slice it. You can't discriminate against exhibition games and refuse to label them accurately, while grading the photographs taken during the same type of games and labeling them accurately. If it's known to be a photo taken during an exhibition period, the photos would have been taken at an "unofficial" time in their career. Therefore,, photos are just as insignificant and inferior as the game tickets themselves. This is the ludricous double-standard that PSA has created, and I'm honestly not even sure they're smart or professional enough to realize it.

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by VintageHoarder

Look at spring training rookie photographs of players like Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays: are those insignificant, because those photos were taken during an exhibition period of their career? Lets look at this from PSAs point of view; According to PSA, these also would be insignificant collectibles, because they are not "official". Yes, that would include the first time Mantle truly dressed in a Yankee uniform...it is unofficial and doesn't "count". A rookie is a rookie and a game is a game....no matter how you slice it. You can't discriminate against exhibition games and refuse to label them accurately, while grading the photographs taken during the same type of games and labeling them accurately. If it's known to be a photo taken during an exhibition period, the photos would have been taken at an "unofficial" time in their career. Therefore,, photos are just as insignificant and inferior as the game tickets themselves. This is the ludricous double-standard that PSA has created, and I'm honestly not even sure they're smart or professional enough to realize it.

Easy solution. Send it to Beckett. Maybe they will do what you want. They need ticket business.

[Snapolit1]

You can’t order a hamburger at Wendy’s that is gong to take someone 25 minutes to make.

QUOTE=VintageHoarder;2353548]They could always limit the number of submissions they're willing to take. It's not hard to figure this out. Again, they are being PAID to do a job. It's like ordering a dressed cheeseburger from Wendys and getting back a plain burger, then when you complain, you get told to live with it. This is not how customer service works.[/QUOTE]

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

You can’t order a hamburger at Wendy’s that is gong to take someone 25 minutes to make.

That's pretty quick at my local Wendy's drive thru...

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by VintageHoarder

They could always limit the number of submissions they're willing to take. It's not hard to figure this out. Again, they are being PAID to do a job. It's like ordering a dressed cheeseburger from Wendys and getting back a plain burger, then when you complain, you get told to live with it. This is not how customer service works.

All of your comments are based on an initial assumption that the opinion sellers "care".

They do not care about you.

They do not care about your card.

They do care about your wallet, but only in a shortsighted "give us as much money as you can today" sort of way.

[VintageHoarder]

And the flip at least mentions Babe Ruth. The one I own of Mays says no mention of him and PSA refuses to fix it.

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Here's an example unrelated to your situation. My 1943 War Bonds game ticket. Widely hailed as "Babe Ruth's final homerun". Was it? Well, it was his last homerun in a major league park. In an exhibition game. And PSA does not say "Babe Ruth's Final Homerun" on the flip.

Would "Babe Ruth's Final HR" be deceiving? I'd say yes. Babe Ruth's "final" hometun was in an official MLB game.
And Jackie Robinson's last game was in Brooklyn, not Japan.

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

All of your comments are based on an initial assumption that the opinion sellers "care".

They do not care about you.

They do not care about your card.

They do care about your wallet, but only in a shortsighted "give us as much money as you can today" sort of way.

[VintageHoarder]

That's fine, Doug...I can choose to not care about them by voting with my wallet.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by VintageHoarder

That's fine, Doug...I can choose to not care about them by voting with my wallet.

Welcome to a very small club

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by VintageHoarder

Handling the volume is very simple: with the help of owners willing to submit info of their own personal findings, then that will make PSAs job easier. State where they found the info and let research team confirm it. How hard is that? PSA doesn't want to do their job. If it's too much for them to accurately grade/label tickets and refuse to take any info from owners, then they simply don't need to grade them. They have a job to do and tickets require research...exhibition game or not

Never going to happen.

They couldn't even "research" the most famous card in the world properly.