Most Valuable Cards in the hobby

[Yankeefan51]

Once we get past

T 206 Wagner
1914 Baltimore Times Ruth
Four Base Hits Anson
PSA 10 Topps Mangle


We wonder what other six cards (or card related items) would be on your list of the 10 most valuable baseball cards


Our thoughts include

1) Texas Tommy Wagner
2) Boston Garter (first series) Johnson
3) T 206 Doyle
4) R328 Lindstrom PSA 8
5) Texas Tommy Cobb
6) Uncut Boston Garter Sheet



Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

[g_vezina_c55]

T206 plank
Ty cobb with ty cobb back

....

[Mikehealer]

I would think N172 Anson in uniform would crack the top 3 or 4.

[Eric72]

1887 Four Base Hits King Kelly
L1 Helmar Leathers Ty Cobb
T206 Eddie Plank
T206 Joe Doyle, Hands above Head, N.Y. Nat'l
T207 Louis Lowdermilk, Red Cross back
1916 Boston Store Babe Ruth

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by Eric72

L1 Helmar Leathers Ty Cobb

No way.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...%23127-Ty-Cobb

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Jlighter

No way.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...%23127-Ty-Cobb

Jake,

Sorry. I had the one pictured here in mind when posting.



I remember seeing this picture in an SMR before the auction took place and thinking that I would never be able to join the fray in bidding for it. Having looked a bit more deeply into things, I wish that I had made the commitment two years ago and gone after this. In retrospect, $26,400 seems like a bargain...to me, at least.

Thanks for weighing in on the list I provided. I mean that sincerely. Pre-war material is fairly new to me, and I do look to this board for guidance.

Best Regards,

Eric

[ctownboy]

Eric,

Back in the early 1990's, I had just gotten into collecting pre-war baseball items and had the time to go around looking for them (I was in college). Anyway, I was at an advertising show (I always found good things there but often didn't have the money to buy them) and I asked a dealer if he had any baseball items.

He said I had just missed a great piece. He then described the vertical Helmar advertising piece with the L-1 Leather, S-81 silk and the T-3 card. I think he said he was asking $6,000 for it but sold it for $4,000 dollars. More than I had at the time but a great piece I would like to own now....

David

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by Eric72

T207 Louis Lowdermilk, Red Cross back

I don't think $21,150 comes anywhere close to cracking the top 10 most valuable cards...

Cheers,
Blair

[oldjudge]

Good point Leon. I'm thinking of making up some shirts to wear that say "Tall, Dark and Handsome" :-)

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Good point Leon. I'm thinking of making up some shirts to wear that say "Tall, Dark and Handsome" :-)

I was merely stating what the card says, Jay. I look forward to seeing you wearing that shirt at the next National .

[Vintageclout]

Here are a few others:

1) "VG" or Higher Babe Ruth M101 Rookie Card
2) "VG" or Higher T206 Plank
2) T210 Old Mill Joe Jackson
3) T206 Ty Cobb w/Ty Cobb Ad Back
4) Bresich Williams Wagner & Mathewson
5) 1912 Boston Garter Mathewson
6) 1914 Boston Garter Joe Jackson & Cobb
7) High Grade 1933 Goudey Lajoie

[Matthew H]

N172 Anson in uniform might sell for more then those cards on your list Bruce. Otherwise it's a good list.

I'm also thinking a Texas Tommy Joe Jackson might be a big deal if one came up.

[E93]

E107 Matty
E107 Wagner
1952 Mantle (high grade)
N172 Anson in uniform
Just So Cy Young
4 Base Hits Kelly

to name a few that have not been mentioned.
JimB

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yankeefan51

Once we get past
Four Base Hits Anson


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

Does this exist? Does anyone have an image?

[e107collector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Does this exist? Does anyone have an image?

I could be wong, but I believe he meant the Four Base Hits King Kelly.

Tony

[atx840]

T206 PSA 2 Danny Murphy Red Hindu.

[jefferyepayne]

1935 National Chicle Bronko Nagurski (high grade)

[sflayank]

1966 topps mickey mantle double punchout

[philliesphan]

Originally Posted by atx840

T206 PSA 2 Danny Murphy Red Hindu.

well played

[jcmtiger]

How about Old Judge N172 California? Unfortuntely, not my card.

Joe

[oldjudge]

Not to put words in my friend Bruce's mouth but I think he was referring to Anson in Uniform, not Four Base Hits Anson. My list would be

T206 Wagner
Baltimore News Ruth
Anson in Uniform
Just So Young
T210 Jackson
Four Base Hits Kelly
M101 Ruth
Boston Store/ Collins McCarthy type Ruth
NY HOFer K-Bat (Ewing, Ward, Keefe, O'Rourke or Connor--all rare)
California League Old Judge

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Not to put words in my friend Bruce's mouth but I think he was referring to Anson in Uniform, not Four Base Hits Anson. My list would be

T206 Wagner
Baltimore News Ruth
Anson in Uniform
Just So Young
T210 Jackson
Four Base Hits Kelly
M101 Ruth
Boston Store/ Collins McCarthy type Ruth
NY HOFer K-Bat (Ewing, Ward, Keefe, O'Rourke or Connor--all rare)
California League Old Judge

No Boston Garters?

1888 Gypsy Queen California League - McDonald

Sold for $80,273 in 2001 (Sloate auction?).

I believe it's still the only copy known.

[oldjudge]

Yes, only one copybook of the McDonald GQ is known. In fact, it is the only known GQ of this format. Truely an amazing card.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by NewEnglandBaseBallist

1888 Gypsy Queen California League - McDonald

Sold for $80,273 in 2001 (Sloate auction?).

I believe it's still the only copy known.

Adam- I've heard rumor of a second one, but never saw it to confirm.

[E93]

E93 Cobb and Wagner in PSA 9's each sold for more than 200k a few years ago.
JimB

[oldjudge]

Jim- just my humble opinion, but this list should not be based on grade, just on card value for a nice collector copy.

[jhs5120]

Pre-War cards aren't the only valuable cards in the hobby. Here are some figures from Dmitri Young's recent sale:

The only 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente PSA 10 — $432,690.
1954 Topps Hank Aaron PSA 10 — $357,594.
The only 1963 Topps Pete Rose PSA 10 — $157,365.
1954 Topps Ernie Banks PSA 10 — $142,836.
1948 Bowman Stan Musial PSA 10 — $129,850.
The only 1969 Topps Reggie Jackson PSA 10 — $115,242.


I think some of these cards would occupy your list.

[ullmandds]

Just my opinion...but...in no way shape or form do those former dimitri young cards belong in this discussion!

Maybe in a thread titled "stupidest money ever paid for an otherwise common card."

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Just my opinion...but...in no way shape or form do those former dimitri young cards belong in this discussion!

Maybe in a thread titled "stupidest money ever paid for an otherwise common card."

In my opinion all of the cards in this thread have sold for stupid money.

[irishdenny]

None of DY cards are even rare. This is a Vintage Pre War Forum. So when the question was asked about the High value list... DY's PSA 10's Never would of come to my mind...

* Not at all directed to Eric's answer... even though he started this mess

"Thanks Eric"

"Life is Soo Grand"

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Just my opinion...but...in no way shape or form do those former dimitri young cards belong in this discussion!

Maybe in a thread titled "stupidest money ever paid for an otherwise common card."

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Pre-War cards aren't the only valuable cards in the hobby. Here are some figures from Dmitri Young's recent sale:

The only 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente PSA 10 — $432,690.
1954 Topps Hank Aaron PSA 10 — $357,594.
The only 1963 Topps Pete Rose PSA 10 — $157,365.
1954 Topps Ernie Banks PSA 10 — $142,836.
1948 Bowman Stan Musial PSA 10 — $129,850.
The only 1969 Topps Reggie Jackson PSA 10 — $115,242.


I think some of these cards would occupy your list.

One could argue that these belong in a "most valuable slab" thread. Crack these exact cards out and sell them, then what do they go for?

[ctownboy]

Some problems I have with the Dmitri Young cards being in this thread;

1) Since this is a pre-war forum (and I believe the thread originator is mainly a pre-war collector) I was assuming that only pre-war cards were too be considered.

2) Yes, those cards are high grade but have they been altered or overgraded? If so, then are they truly worth that much money?

3) If offered at different times (and not all together as they were) would they STILL bring as much money?

Put a T206 Wagner or a Baltimore News Ruth in an auction with a bunch of other good pre-war cards and the Wagner and Ruth are going to sell for big bucks just as they would if the auction had a T206 Wagner and 200 other lots of 1990 Fleer commons.

I don't think that would happen if only one of the DY collection were sold by itself and weren't surrounded by the hype (ESPECIALLY now that Mastro is supposedly going to testify about card altering and doctoring).

Finally, after 120 years, how many more Cap Anson in uniform or Four Base Hits King Kelly cards are likely going to appear? On the other hand, what is the likelihood that some unopened packs of cards from the 1950's and 1960's appear that basically haven't been touched since they were produced and that some really high grade cards come out of those?

My opinion is there aren't likely to be many more 80+ year old cards being found as compared to the likelihood of newer, high grade cards coming out of the woodwork. Thus, the newer cards are more likely to drop in price when more are found and if/when Mastro testifies and people reconsider the legitimacy of high grade cards.

David