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View Poll Results: Next Hot T206 Card
WaJo Portrait 47 29.19%
Young Portrait 24 14.91%
Mathewson Portrait 19 11.80%
Speaker 13 8.07%
Cobb Bat On 14 8.70%
Cobb Bat Off 21 13.04%
Other 23 14.29%
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:26 PM
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The Green Cobb has taken the world by storm. Someone recently mentioned that WaJo Portraits seem to have surged in price. Young Portraits also seem to be gaining some steam. So, what's the next big T206 to go nuts?
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Lajoie portrait and Eddie Collins.
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For years I've been scratching my head in wonder why the T206 cards are so far behind other cards and under valued. They have been a sleeping giant ! I think there going to surge for awhile now to catch up where they should have been by now . Where is the top ? That's the mystery but im willing to bet it's going to raise the bar like never before. Just My opinion

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Good to see the board taking Ebay's advice from the National and trying to stay ahead of trends...
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for years i've been scratching my head in wonder why the t206 cards are so far behind other cards and under valued. They have been a sleeping giant ! I think there going to surge for awhile now to catch up where they should have been by now . Where is the top ? That's the mystery but im willing to bet it's going to raise the bar like never before. Just my opinion

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seriously?????? T206 have been and continue to be some of the most popular and highly valued vintage out there. You have no clue!

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I always felt that the Cobb Bat On was such an undervalued card. The pose, the smirk, the colors, etc.
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I wouldn't bet on it, but you would have done very well percentage-wise just getting lower grade but presentable commons. There was a time recently when getting them for $10 or under in groups was a reasonable expectation but they're 2.5-3 times that now.

I'd guess that Lajoie portrait may be the next runner or perhaps the horizontal cards may take another jump.
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I dont follow too closely but thought the Matty portrait was already going up. If not that would seem the most likely choice.
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seriously?????? T206 have been and continue to be some of the most popular and highly valued vintage out there. You have no clue!
Wow I didn't say that ? I'm just saying I'm surprised it took so long to spike. They have been a bargain for a long time. Sorry your so upset over my post

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For years I've been scratching my head in wonder why the T206 cards are so far behind other cards and under valued. They have been a sleeping giant ! I think there going to surge for awhile now to catch up where they should have been by now . Where is the top ? That's the mystery but im willing to bet it's going to raise the bar like never before. Just My opinion

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you didn't say what?????? T206 undervalued????? So far behind other cards? I'm not so upset...you're just saying things that aren't true.

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“Undervalued” and “T206” in the same sentence may be the funniest thing I have ever read on this site!

I appreciate T206’s for what they are but they have never been really undervalued as they are quite literally the most common set of pre-Goudey baseball cards on the planet. Sets that are rarer but not as attractive or popular are “undervalued” (like T207).
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Well I never thought I would be so disappointed on a sight I love so much with such sharp replies. I will excuse myself from the forum.

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Really? That is all it took, someone not agreeing with your stance on something? Not sure what is so offensive about not thinking T206’s are undervalued.
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Millennials always living up to the stereotypes......
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is "THAT" what the millenials say????
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It's from the movie Friday. I consider myself more gen x than a millennial. Anyone who's see the movie would get the reference.
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It's from the movie Friday. I consider myself more gen x than a millennial. Anyone who's see the movie would get the reference.
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Back to the cards- I always felt the Magie error has plenty of room to peak as being one of the premier cards. btw, I always enjoyed Sean's Plank card, the ghostly image is quite cool. Just an opionon- as I am not a die-hard t206 collector.
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I always felt that the Cobb Bat On was such an undervalued card. The pose, the smirk, the colors, etc.
I agree and voted this way before reading the thread. Glad to see someone feels the same way. Considering it has a similar overall pop as green portrait (from what I’ve read, anyway... never done the math) I think it’s overdue.
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Looking at the PSA pop report, hard to believe the Matty portrait in PSA 5 has population of 49. The Cobb green portrait has listed pop in PSA 5 of 54.

The others: Johnson portrait in PSA 5 has pop 92, Young portrait in PSA 5 has pop 76, Cobb red portrait in PSA 5 has pop 185, the Speaker in PSA 5 has pop 98.

Any takes on the low Matty portrait numbers? Lower than Cobb green in PSA 5, Wow !
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I think another dimension to this, is when you introduce rare backs into the conversation. These days, they add tremendous value and desirability to the cards. I've been a T206 rare back collector for 25 years, and usually just focused on getting the different backs in commons only, figuring why pay a premium to have a HOFer on the front...well, I have to admit, that's one of my biggest mistakes in the hobby...I wish I had focused on getting HOFers with rare backs...I've done some catching up over the last few years, and have been inspired by Derek H and Ryan H (hi guys)...they were the smart ones!

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Looking at the PSA pop report, hard to believe the Matty portrait in PSA 5 has population of 49. The Cobb green portrait has listed pop in PSA 5 of 54.

The others: Johnson portrait in PSA 5 has pop 92, Young portrait in PSA 5 has pop 76, Cobb red portrait in PSA 5 has pop 185, the Speaker in PSA 5 has pop 98.

Any takes on the low Matty portrait numbers? Lower than Cobb green in PSA 5, Wow !
There are more Mattys in PSA 6 than Cobb. If you total everything 5 & above, Cobb 101, Matty 120. Sounds like the Matty portrait might be a good pickup, but it won't have the demand of Cobb. Cobb is a tier above the other t206s (excluding Wagner).
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Is it wrong to single out a specific card, versus targeting a tier of cards? Cobb has its own tier, with tier 2 being Young/WaJo. I'd put Speaker/Matty/Lajoie in tier 3. And so on.

If you see a rise in a certain card, figure out what other subjects are in its tier, and target them.
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Sounds like the Matty portrait might be a good pickup, but it won't have the demand of Cobb.
Agreed. Eventually, as is true with every commodity, fundamentals take over. I’m not saying the Cobb green portrait is in a bubble. Not by any stretch. It could run another decade or longer...no one knows. But when you see similar overall pop numbers for green Cobb (831) to Matty portrait (856), I’m not sure how much longer the spread between the two can last before green Cobb decreases or Matty portrait increases. Or both. Then again, I said this five years ago to myself and the spread just keeps increasing. Shows you what I know... lol

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I think it's worth keeping things in perspective too. Cobb has 4 cards in the set, WaJo has 2, Matty 3, and Speaker only 1 (his RC). Population reports may be an indicator, but prices don't necessarily reflect it. Also, it's more a function of demand and what's hot. Certainly errors or short prints will always have their mystique.

Lajoie Portrait certainly has made a pretty good move as of late too.
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Population reports may be an indicator, but prices don't necessarily reflect it. Also, it's more a function of demand and what's hot.
Very true. And the accuracy of the data. I have no idea how accurate those pop reports are. With all the crossovers, re-grades, etc., wouldn’t surprise me if they’re no longer a good reflection of supply.
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I think it's worth keeping things in perspective too. Cobb has 4 cards in the set, WaJo has 2, Matty 3, and Speaker only 1 (his RC). Population reports may be an indicator, but prices don't necessarily reflect it. Also, it's more a function of demand and what's hot. Certainly errors or short prints will always have their mystique.

Lajoie Portrait certainly has made a pretty good move as of late too.
In my opinion it's the portraits. Wajo and Mathewson have great looking portraits and the yellow background make them pop even more. While Young has the green portrait in my opinion it is not as attractive a card as the Mathewson or Wajo.
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I think Eddie Collins, considering how great a ballplayer he was, is way undervalued and due for a bump.
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Some of you are too funny :-) I took the day off got some private emails and feel much better about what I said And maybe I should rephrase what I was actually thinking and writing And by the way I'm way too old to be a millennial and that did hurt uggggg LOL just kidding. Anyway by no means do I mean the set is undervalued what I actually was trying to get accross was so many cards I felt were undervalued for example, how the heck can you buy a card over a hundred years old that's a Hall of Famer for a couple hundred dollars? Believe me I'm very thankful I've been able to buy such beautiful cards at such a good price for so many years. I don't know how many cobbs I sat on for so many years like so many other people and they just never went up to much in value and then recently it's like they've woken up like a sleeping giant and they've more than doubled in price in just one year. Not all of them but your big players you know who I'm talking about. No Digs at anybody it was just my thoughts when I said undervalued. I mean when people are paying $1, 000 and more for current players when you could have bought a Cobb a year ago for the thousand bucks or so it's just seemed the cobbs were way undervalued at the time along with so many others. The dead ball era is my favorite and I am a history nut so a t206 fan I will always be.

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Some of you are too funny :-) I took the day off got some private emails and feel much better about what I said And maybe I should rephrase what I was actually thinking and writing And by the way I'm way too old to be a millennial and that did hurt uggggg LOL just kidding. Anyway by no means do I mean the set is undervalued what I actually was trying to get accross was so many cards I felt were undervalued for example, how the heck can you buy a card over a hundred years old that's a Hall of Famer for a couple hundred dollars? Believe me I'm very thankful I've been able to buy such beautiful cards at such a good price for so many years. I don't know how many cobbs I sat on for so many years like so many other people and they just never went up to much in value and then recently it's like they've woken up like a sleeping giant and they've more than doubled in price in just one year. Not all of them but your big players you know who I'm talking about. No Digs at anybody it was just my thoughts when I said undervalued. I mean when people are paying $1, 000 and more for current players when you could have bought a Cobb a year ago for the thousand bucks or so it's just seemed the cobbs were way undervalued at the time along with so many others. The dead ball era is my favorite and I am a history nut so a t206 fan I will always be.

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I thought I was but hey living in the Deep South things just don't come out right sometimes LOL

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Seems like some of the comments on this thread neglect half of the pricing equation. The argument from some Net54 Illuminati, in a nutshell, seems to go like this: “T206s are far more plentiful than other prewar sets, yet command higher prices. So they are overvalued.”

But viewing pricing solely as function of supply/scarcity is myopic. There’s this pesky thing called demand that also contributes to market prices. T206 is an iconic set (like ‘33 Goudey and ‘52 Topps) that attracts attention from thousands of collectors and remains part of the zeitgeist after more than a century. No other pre-Goudey set I can think of can make that claim (maybe '14-'15 Cracker Jack comes the closest).

So, yes, T206s may well be undervalued relative to other prewar sets. While past is not necessarily prologue, T206s have out(price)performed most if not all other prewar sets in the last 40 years. I think that trend is more likely to continue than not.

I say this as someone who a little more than a decade ago became enamored with scarce prewar cards and lost more than a few dollars pursuing those.

BTW I voted for Cy Young Portrait. WaJo was a better pitcher but Cy has the award named after him and thus remains more in the umbra of the zeitgeist.

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There’s something about the look of the Cy Young portrait that I love, so that’s my vote. My second choice would be the red Cobb
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