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Old 02-05-2019, 08:27 AM
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Default 1962 Jello

I picked this up many years ago. It has printer marks on the edges which might indicate it is a proof of some kind.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:55 PM
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4 1/2" x 5 3/4" Cigarette compact









Compact open....and it's empty....all 50 cigarettes went up in smoke






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Old 05-02-2019, 06:26 PM
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I not aware of any premium inserts associated with this brand which would have been issued circa 1887-1888.
It's a pretty pack, however.
Perhaps some 19th Century expert on this forum may chime in here with some information.


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Old 05-03-2019, 05:20 PM
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Old 05-03-2019, 09:22 PM
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I not aware of any premium inserts associated with this brand which would have been issued circa 1887-1888.
It's a pretty pack, however.
Perhaps some 19th Century expert on this forum may chime in here with some information.


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Ted - non-sports cards would have been issued with Dukes Cameo(such as the F62s). Duke manufactured the brand for a while. I believe your pack dates to 1892, so definitely an early one.
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Old 05-04-2019, 08:29 PM
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Ted - non-sports cards would have been issued with Dukes Cameo(such as the F62s). Duke manufactured the brand for a while. I believe your pack dates to 1892, so definitely an early one.

Hi Jon

Thanks for the info on the Duke's CameO pack.

I was thinking it might contain non-sports cards circa 1887 - 1889, since the pack has a July 20, 1886 Patent date on it. And, the slide inside this pack has a Sept 28, 1886
Patent date on it.

Can we arrive at any kind of conclusion(s) based on these dates ?


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Old 05-04-2019, 10:02 PM
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Ted,

Duke's Cameo brand went from paper pack to slide and shell box in 1886 and would retain many of the dates you mention on the pack for decades. The date that really matters is the tax stamp over-print. Your tax stamp overprint appears to be either 1892 or 1893.

Another strong clue that quickly dates your pack to 1890s (or later) is the appearance of "ATC" or "American Tobacco Company". Most Duke, A&G, Kinney, Kimball, and Goodwin packs were updated upon the merger in early 1890 to reference ATC. Your pack is post merger. I have several pre-merger Cameo packs, here are a few from 1889. You can see several changes that occurred between June 1889 and August 1889. I've circled the overprints (June, August, & October of 1889) to better clue you into what you should be looking for on your pack.



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And a re-post from the April Pick-Up thread; this thread provides a better home for the pic. The cigar box is a beauty, dedicated to the Detroit Wolverines with numerous references to baseball and the Detroit Base Ball Club (DBBC) including the team picture. It serves as a storage box for some of my favorite Goodwin & SF Hess packs.

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of candy Joey boy!
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Old 05-05-2019, 12:12 AM
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Looks great Joe!

Ted - I donít really have anything else to add that Joe didnít cover already. I was referring to the overprint on your box for dating. Itís still a great early one!
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Old 05-05-2019, 09:10 AM
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Ted,

Duke's Cameo brand went from paper pack to slide and shell box in 1886 and would retain many of the dates you mention on the pack for decades. The date that really matters is the tax stamp over-print. Your tax stamp overprint appears to be either 1892 or 1893.

Another strong clue that quickly dates your pack to 1890s (or later) is the appearance of "ATC" or "American Tobacco Company". Most Duke, A&G, Kinney, Kimball, and Goodwin packs were updated upon the merger in early 1890 to reference ATC. Your pack is post merger. I have several pre-merger Cameo packs, here are a few from 1889. You can see several changes that occurred between June 1889 and August 1889. I've circled the overprints (June, August, & October of 1889) to better clue you into what you should be looking for on your pack.




Joe and Jon

Thanks for all you info regarding this Tobacco brand. I'm glad I posted this pack. For you guys are amazing with your knowledge of this stuff.

Hope to see you both at the National this Summer.


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Old 05-05-2019, 06:42 PM
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Default Old Mill Sign being sold by Probstein123 on ebay. Legit?

This Old Mill sign can't be legit, can it? It's on ebay by Probstein123 for $5,000. Here is the link:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Ori...ty!95132!US!-1
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Old 05-05-2019, 08:29 PM
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Old 05-05-2019, 09:48 PM
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Nope
That was my first thought, too. For sure the backs of those 2 cards aren't from original cards, and the "open here" spaces are VERY fishy. If it's that obvious, how can a bigger consignment place (I'm assuming the sign is a consignment) with lots of feedback get away with that?
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Also note that the Old Mill advertisement is printed, but the text referencing baseball picture cards is hand-written. Too coincidental in my opinion.
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Old 05-06-2019, 10:17 PM
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I think that the sign and "boxes" on either side are real just not the "base ball picture cards" verbiage..Ö.. I have either seen this frankenmonster before or something very similar.

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Old 05-06-2019, 10:20 PM
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who did the fake Old Judge piece with the fake cards.....
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