Please show a card more rare than Wagner (T206)

[yanksfan09]

Not sure Sean. I think I may have read something on that a while ago, but don't recall. Maybe someone else will chime in. I'll see if I can find what I read about it before.

[VoodooChild]

Originally Posted by Sean

Hey Erick. That E121-80 also identifies Ruth as a leftfielder, whereas the other version calls him Babe and lists him in rightfield.

Do you have any idea which version came first?

Sean - I could be wrong but I believe the "Babe" Version of the E121-80 came first. I believe it was released at the start of the season and Ruth played a majority of his games in RF during the 1920 season. The "George" version is part of the group of rare cards released during the 1921 World Series. Ruth played the majority of his games that year in LF.

[atx840]

Thanks to Ted for this one. Only a few exist.

[yanksfan09]

That sounds right. I just checked baseball almanac and it shows Ruth played the 1921 World Series all in Left Field, other than the couple games he missed.

To further complicate things, there's also the Babe and the "Babe" variations. Not sure if there are any theories on those as to which came first....

[yanksfan09]

delete, double post.

[Bigb13]

Not many of theseimage.jpg

[Sean]

Jason and Erick, thank you for that explanation.

I have a "Babe" version. I didn't know that there was also a Babe version.

[tedzan]

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[Runscott]

Interestingly, we've had different backs for the same front considered to be different cards, different grades of the same card to be considered different cards, and even a print scrap, which is apparently considered to be a different card from the production version.

So the rarest T206 Wagner is actually the Wagner card with a print variation different from all the rest, as well as the rarest slab: the Wagner belonging to these two fellows (no free advertising to the doofus who created the slab).

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by atx840

Thanks to Ted for this one. Only a few exist.

Thank you for this Duffy....and, a double thanks for helping me to get some of the other red HINDU's for my "Exclusive 12" sub-set.





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[Runscott]

Ted, why don't you start a thread "T206's that are more scarce than a T206 Wagner"?

[tedzan]

......since you're tired of seeing my T206's......here is a classic 1949 LEAF card in my collection that is as tough to find as a T206 Wagner.



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[Runscott]

That's not what I said at all. To the contrary, I asked you to start a thread, just for T206's that are more rare than the Wagner.

I think it would showcase how many T206's there are that are more rare than the Wagner.

There, I said it three times so there's no mistaking my intent.

I will add that, while I had never given it much thought, I'm very surprised at how many T206's are more scarce than Wagner.

[Exhibitman]

[tedzan]

T-Rex TED
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[Michael Peich]

Adam--Fabulous cards! Thanks for showing them.

Cheers,
Mike

[Iron Horse]

PSA pop report shows 16 not sure how many at SGC

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ted, 135 Leaf Paiges graded by PSA alone.

[Runscott]

Ted just stated that it's "as tough to find". We find T206 Wagners all the time. How often do you find a Leaf Paige?

[CurtisFlood]

Thanks for the work guys. Best slide show in a long time. can honestly say I have never owned a single card in this array of sweet cardboard.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Ted just stated that it's "as tough to find". We find T206 Wagners all the time. How often do you find a Leaf Paige?

Well maybe it's just me Scott, but if there are many more of card A than card B, I would say card A is probably not as tough to find. But that's just me. Your mileage may vary.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Well maybe it's just me Scott, but if there are many more of card A than card B, I would say card A is probably not as tough to find. But that's just me. Your mileage may vary.

Peter, this is the kinder, gentler runscott. I'm practicing on Ted.

[Peter_Spaeth]

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[Zach Wheat]

There are only 6 Lefty Grove cards known from this set and 4 cards of Gabby Hartnett & 5 of Goose Goslin. The color variations consist of green, orange & yellow borders.

In addition, the original set consisted of at least 16 cards in total; 3 cards were of well known personalities of the day (Brendell, Keen & Maynard) which only 1 cards is know to exist - making this a truly difficult set to collect.

83 total cards were in the original find; 15 of which have images of the 3 known baseball players.


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[atx840]

Originally Posted by Runscott

It's a photo, not a card, but I wanted to play and it's my favorite one-of-one item. Back in 1913, if you had a choice of a T206 Wagner, or a photo that had hung on Honus' wall, it would have been a no-brainer...I think.

12x16 1913 Honus Wagner photo from his estate.

Wow. That's awesome Scott.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ted, 135 Leaf Paiges graded by PSA alone.

Peter

I've tracked 1949 Paige cards since 1982, when I acquired my Paige.

That "135" number you have noted is the result of re-grades and crossovers.

My educated estimate is that approx. 80-90 different Paige cards are actually reflected in that number.

The 1949 Leaf Paige is one of the most sought after post-war cards; therefore, , it garners some ridiculously high $$$$$ figures.

And, as little as 0.5 increase in it being RE-GRADED results in 1000's of $$$$ increase in its market price.


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[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Michael Peich

Adam--Fabulous cards! Thanks for showing them.

Cheers,
Mike

Thanks.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Looks like the Grove and Hartnett images were the same ones used for their '20's exhibit cards, not sure about Goslin.

[JustinofLoxley]

[tedzan]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Peter

I've tracked 1949 Paige cards since 1982, when I acquired my Paige.

That "135" number you have noted is the result of re-grades and crossovers.

My educated estimate is that approx. 80-90 different Paige cards are actually reflected in that number.

The 1949 Leaf Paige is one of the most sought after post-war cards; therefore, , it garners some ridiculously high $$$$$ figures.

And, as little as 0.5 increase in it being RE-GRADED results in 1000's of $$$$ increase in its market price.


T-Rex TED
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Ted there are also 44 sgc graded ones. And who knows how many ungraded. Not saying it isn't a very tough card, just saying it isn't Wagner in terms of scarcity.

[jb217676]

Great cardboard guys! Here are a few tough ones that I own.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ted there are also 44 sgc graded ones. And who knows how many ungraded. Not saying it isn't a very tough card, just saying it isn't Wagner in terms of scarcity.

I really don't want to belabor this....but, I have seen the SGC pop data; and, I'm suspicious of the numbers.

When I see Graded numbers bunched together (as they are in SGC's data on Paige), then I'd bet these #'s are the results of quite a number of re-grades.

Of the 44 graded ones, my guess is there are no more than 25 "unique" Paige cards.

Where does this leave us......approximately 100 "unique" 1949 Leaf Paige cards in circulation.

Whoops ! ....I forgot my ungraded Paige......so, there are 101.


Eventually, I predict that the number of T206 Wagner's will approach 100.


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Ted are you saying that yours is the only one left ungraded? Even if you are right there are only 100 graded ones, I am sure there are many ungraded ones as well.

[seattlerainiers]

Rare is an understatement here:

[Tom S.]

Any card from this set would qualify...

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Interestingly, we've had different backs for the same front considered to be different cards, different grades of the same card to be considered different cards, and even a print scrap, which is apparently considered to be a different card from the production version.

So the rarest T206 Wagner is actually the Wagner card with a print variation different from all the rest, as well as the rarest slab: the Wagner belonging to these two fellows (no free advertising to the doofus who created the slab).

Don't forget that I also have that same "unique" card and in better shape!

[MikeGarcia]

....75 is a pretty low bar for the guys that frequent this forum ; you'd probably still get a ton of responses if you had said "15" or so..

...anyway I've been trying to upgrade these cards beyond a " One= Poor " for about nine years ....I'm going out on a limb and declaring that there are less than seventy-five of these out there...

...contact me if you own one of these in a "2".....I have money....

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by z28jd

Don't forget that I also have that same "unique" card and in better shape!

I DID forget. I think I angered Ted by infiltrating his thread with this card, so I'll ask other members to kindly refrain from posting questionable Wagners that are more unique than the Wagner in question.

Sorry, Ted. Please carry on.

[tedzan]

It's my understanding that this T3 Doolan with the Turkey Red adv. back is very rare (considerably less than 50 examples).

T3 experts....please confirm, or correct me, regarding this observation


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[Epps]

Not too many of these around

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[Luke]

WOW Matt...

[Bicem]

Nice Gandil. Come on SGC, Gandel?

[Epps]

Thanks guys! It's Gandel on the card too. One of his best poses though in my opinion

[tedzan]

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[joeadcock]

Very low pops on these:

[Jobu]

Jeff, I absolutely love that Mathewson! Thanks for posting it, I didn't even know it existed (like many other cards in this thread - thanks to you all).

Another cool thing about the Pastime Novelty Mathewson - that card is also Caspar the Friendly Ghost's rookie.

Originally Posted by jb217676

Great cardboard guys! Here are a few tough ones that I own.

[DixieBaseball]

Incredible bouquet of cardboard in this thread. The Holmes Joe and the Baltimore Ruth are easily my personal favorites, but those Nadja & Williams Wags are way more scarce than the T206 Wagner and awesome. The Type 1 Coupons are not even fighting fair as most of those are at 10-15 examples or less and not even close to the T-Wags. Seeing all this talent really makes me even question why the T206 Wags is valued so high. This may sound crazy, but I don't think I would want to invest 6 figures in it. What makes it worth so much? There is no rarity. Perhaps minimal scarcity. Only bloated fascination that has amplified over the decades. To be clear I am not a hater (just don't understand is more like it...) and think it's a neat card but so many more HOFer's in the T206 set are more scarce with backs like Lenox, etc. Let me digress and throw a few more that are way more scarce than the T-Wags. Great net 54 participation! Keep em coming.

[DixieBaseball]

2 more rare Bays... One being from T-Wag's set and much more scarce.