Curious if anyone has had cards graded since the alteration/PWCC debacle

[Promethius88]

Had a bulk order that was submitted in January pop yesterday, no cards came back as EOT out of 112. It was a mix of years from 1948 to modern. Most were newer. On Wednesday night had a small sub of T205's, 1933 Goudey and a couple 55 Topps All-American football pop, that was submitted in April. Not one came back EOT or altered. Everything was fine.

[itslarry]

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https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297033

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Promethius88

Not one came back EOT or altered. Everything was fine.

Yep, you can feel confident in those opinions, I'm sure.

The other thread shouldn't cause you any concerns.

[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Yep, you can feel confident in those opinions, I'm sure.

The other thread shouldn't cause you any concerns.

Actually, I feel fine about it. They were lower end cards 2-4's mostly for the pre-war stuff and not a card with a value over maybe $50-75.
The OP was asking if anyone had stuff come back eot as he did and I did not.
I get the suspicions and accusations about TPG's and I know there is a huge hate for PSA here, that's fine, the evidence is out there. But, either they are all coming back not graded because they want be extra careful or they are just letting everything pass. It can't be both ways.
We can sit here and blame TPG's, auction houses, the actual card doctors, etc. But, at the end of the day, it's us, the collectors that are to blame. Our vanity for wanting to have the "best" or paying stupid amounts of money for a piece of cardboard is what has driven the hobby to this state. This has been going on, albeit not to this degree, for years prior to TPG's ever being in existence and if they ever go away it will still happen after that. It's just easier to blame someone else. As much as we maybe don't like to admit, we, as humans have a level of greed and vanity that makes us go into situations blindly.
It's funny, I have been or read in forums for years and the two pieces of advice that are given out most frequently to people new to the hobby...
1. Buy the card, not the holder
2. You shouldn't worry what the value of a card will be in X amount of years because you buy cards for the memories, the enjoyment. That's why it's called a "hobby".
Look, is this a bad situation that is going on right now...yep, it is. I'm not trying to downplay it. There needs to be and I'm sure there will be repercussions and changes. But at the end of the day it's not as important as your family, your health, etc. All I can do is be fair and honest in my dealings and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. It's just not worth it.

Dammit!! Let's have some fun!

[perezfan]

Sound advice...

But tons of 2s - 4s have been exposed as well. And the hits keep coming stronger than ever...

The corruption and TPG ineptitude is not (by any means) limited to high-grade cards. PSA's failures have been exposed on ALL levels. Yet they remain silent.

We cannot allow this to blow over, as that's just what they want.

[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Sound advice...

But tons of 2s - 4s have been exposed as well. And the hits keep coming stronger than ever...

The corruption and TPG ineptitude is not (by any means) limited to high-grade cards. PSA's failures have been exposed on ALL levels. Yet they remain silent.

We cannot allow this to blow over, as that's just what they want.

Yes, I realize lower grade cards have been exposed as well. My response to Doug was that I am confident in what I submitted was evaluated correctly. Now, I can agree or disagree with the grades, but I don't think that the grading itself is in question. Below is the list of cards I submitted in my smaller order so I hope it explains my stance. If someone had taken the time to alter them for a profit, they would probably be in holders already...in higher grades and not in the LCS where I picked them up raw...where they had been for years.


Line #

Item #

Cert #

Grade

Description

Type


1 1 43139927 GOOD 2 1911 T205 Gold Border Fred Beck
2 1 43139928 GOOD 2 1911 T205 Gold Border Lou Criger
3 1 43139929 GOOD 2 1911 T205 Gold Border Charlie Hemphill
4 1 43139930 FAIR 1.5 1911 T205 Gold Border J. Owen Wilson
5 1 43139931 VERY GOOD 3 MC 1933 Goudey 22 Pie Traynor
6 1 43139932 GOOD 2 1933 Goudey 35 Al Simmons
7 1 43139933 VERY GOOD 3 1933 Goudey 44 Jim Bottomley
8 1 43139934 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 MK 1933 Goudey 135 Woody English
9 1 43139935 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1933 Goudey 140 Bump Hadley
10 1 43139936 GOOD+ 2.5 1933 Goudey 192 Walter Brown
11 1 43139937 GOOD 2 1933 Goudey 215 Russell Van Atta
12 1 43139938 VERY GOOD 3 1933 Goudey 235 Fred Fitzsimmons
13 1 43139939 EXCELLENT+ 5.5 1955 Topps All-Amer. 52 John Lujack
14 1 43139940 EXCELLENT+ 5.5 1955 Topps All-Amer. 85 Sid Luckman
15 1 43139941 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1955 Topps All-Amer. 93 Willie Heston