Mystery 1924 Canadian National? Team Patch/Crest Hockey?

[baseball tourist]

Any help would be much appreciated.

Vintage fabric patch/crest, measuring almost 8 inches from top of top point to bottom of stem and 7 inches across.

Possibly from a uniform or sweater. Looking at 1924 Hockey events (Olympics etc) can't find a style match to jerseys or sweaters.

Thanks for looking!

[Duluth Eskimo]

I don't know what it relates to, but it is pretty cool. I think it was fairly common to cut off a hockey crest like that. I have a couple of Minnesota crests, but nowhere near as nice as that. Jason

[Scott Garner]

Chris,
According to a very good Canadian collector friend of mine, Ron Vender, he believes that this is a patch from the Summer 1924 Olympics- either a team member, or a souvenir patch that was quite possibly on a sweater.
He believes he has seen it in a picture before, FYI

I hope this helps...

BTW, you can read about Ron Vender's amazing Howie Morenz collection in this recent Sports Collector's daily article:
http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...ector-website/

Ron was formerly one of the top advanced Nolan Ryan collectors and I've known him for about 20 years.

[baseball tourist]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Chris,
According to a very good Canadian collector friend of mine, Ron Vender, he believes that this is a patch from the Summer 1924 Olympics- either a team member, or a souvenir patch that was quite possibly on a sweater.
He believes he has seen it in a picture before, FYI

I hope this helps...

BTW, you can read about Ron Vender's amazing Howie Morenz collection in this recent Sports Collector's daily article:
http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...ector-website/

Ron was formerly one of the top advanced Nolan Ryan collectors and I've known him for about 20 years.

Thanks Gents!

Would love to find a pic. if possible. The closest I can find thus far is a Canadian soccer team image....but not quite.

[Exhibitman]

Anyone got any ideas about the logo on this guy's sweater?



The card is from a 1925 set.

[Butch7999]

Adam, very curious piece there. We don't recognize the sweater crest. The "CHC" is suggestive of Montreal Canadiens,
whose famous crest stands for "Club de Hockey Canadien," but while the team has worn a few different versions of that
over the past hundred years or so, and a few different crests in the years before even that, we're pretty sure
they've never had anything remotely like the version shown in the pic as their crest.

The label on the pic is really baffling. Canadiens were Stanley Cup champions (ergo, "world's champions") in 1924 and 1925,
but not only was Al Stinson not a member of those teams, no "Al Stinson" ever played in the NHL. Olympics, then? Nope.
Toronto Granites represented Canada in the 1924 Games, Winnipeg Falcons in 1920, both teams winning gold (ergo,
"world's champions"), but again, no "Al Stinson" was a member of either team.

[baseball tourist]

Looks like the lettering might be "GHC" as opposed to "CHC", albeit hard to tell. The downward hook on the first letter suggests it isn't the same as the last letter. Perhaps "Gault Hockey Club" or "Godrich Hockey Club" etc. Al Stinson doesn't come up in any standard hockey data base search. Collegiate perhaps? Stumped.

[Kawika]

Had a look in the NY Times Archives and turned up a player named Stinson on an amateur team called Canadian Hockey Club (which was based in New York). The lettering on the sweater is open to interpretation. The first letter looks like a "C" to me except it doesn't look like the third letter which is surely a "C". Maybe it was written differently to create some kind of stylized flow. I don't think it's a "G", it lacks the thingy on the lower part of that letter. What Stinson would be doing in an Exhibits Champions set with the likes of Ruth and Dempsey is anybody's guess; there were much greater hockey players to choose from at the time. So I'm not saying it's your guy but it's the best I've got. In the second article Stinson's first name is given as "Ab". That didn't turn up anything else for me in Google but maybe someone else can run with it. Saw that in their one year of existence the CHC was 1 and 8, 12 goals scored and 46 scored against. Champions indeed. LINK

[Butch7999]

Good work there by David. Agree that the slightly different letter forms of C in the crest are due simply to fitting them into a diamond shape.
David, your two pictures aren't showing up for us.

A friend of ours suggests that the CHC might stand for Chamonix Hockey Club [ http://chamonixhockey.com/historique/ ],
thirty times champions of France, including 1923, '24, and '25.
However, the club site provides no all-time roster of players, and no one at all named Stinson turns up at the EuroHockey database
[ http://www.eurohockey.com/players.html ].

Adam, we're unfamiliar with that card set -- what's the designation and, more important, who else is in it?

[Exhibitman]

it is from the 1925 exhibit champions set. It depicts athletes and semi-athletes from various fields. Stinson is the only hockey player. Babe Ruth and Jack Dempsey are the most famous subjects. There is also a card of the Passaic NJ high school basketball team coached by HOFer Ernest Blood.

[Butch7999]

Adam, thanks for the follow-up info. Curiouser and curiouser...
We're starting to think the inclusion of "Al Stinson" alongside actual greats like Dempsey and the Babe was some sort of inside joke,
like maybe Stinson was some guy who worked for the card company and happened to play hockey in a local beer-league...