Really SGC? Horribly disappointing.

[Kawika]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Sorry for making light of it, David - hopefully they aren't damaged. It was great seeing you last weekend and talking cards.

No worries, kemosabe. I have been on the rag all day with other pilikia (<=Hawaiian word, means combination of trouble, worries and general overall bullshit); the Heritage package was just the kicker. The Seattle show was big fun and I enjoyed hanging out with you and Mr Cycleback.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

That Cobb looks a little short.

Not as short as the tip top Wagner.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not as short as the tip top Wagner.

Mine is a Lionel Carter card. Yours? No.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not as short as the tip top Wagner.

PS the offers have been nothing short of hilarious.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Mine is a Lionel Carter card. Yours? No.

Ah yes, submitted by Legendary. Or was it still Mastro?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

PS the offers have been nothing short of hilarious.

Did you expect otherwise?

[wonkaticket]

Jay is 100% correct the large holder is train wreck....perhaps SGC should look to redesign the holders vs. the labels.

[wonkaticket]

David I feel your pain.

My T4 did the slab shimmy dance also I was lucky no damage.

I had it it slabbed in a Mylar sheet in the holder to fix the issue. Otherwise every time I looked at the card and tilted upright Mr. Weaver would begin his migration south for the winter.



I agree not the end of the world but also not an non issue either. It's a problem they have known about for sometime. I look at it this way if Branson can slap people into sub orbit I would think a grading company could figure out a decent holder for the services and fees being charged....

John

[HRBAKER]

You would think that's the case but if people keep submitting oversized in spite of the issue there is less resolve.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

You would think that's the case but if people keep submitting oversized in spite of the issue there is less resolve.

For many of these cabinet size cards, there aren't many good options. PSA only holders up to 5x7 sizes. Therefore, if it is larger than this, you need to go w/ SGC or Beckett. The Beckett slab does not have any issues w/ float. However, the slab is a brick, and not as aesthetically pleasing as SGC, so in the end, collectors prefer SGC. In addition, for these obscure prewar cards, collectors still trust SGC's opinion the most over PSA and Beckett, so in the end SGC still gets most of the business here even with the gasket issue.

[HRBAKER]

I would prefer raw to what I'm seeing in this thread.
There is always that option.

[Deertick]

I am disappointed.

"I'll be wearing a 1920's baseball uniform - haven't decided which one yet, but I'm sure there won't be many of us".

You just wore a jersey. And a pullover at that.

[ezez420]

May I ask why you would bash SGC to start a post? Do you dislike their grading that much or is it something personal to point out their mistake to community? Only to see later in your post that issue was resolved. Don't you think that should've been your first step?

I get if it is an individual person but I don't get it when you bash the Company that grades your cards and is probably part of the lifeblood of your business or hobby.



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[ZachS]

Originally Posted by ezez420

May I ask why you would bash SGC to start a post? Do you dislike their grading that much or is it something personal to point out their mistake to community? Only to see later in your post that issue was resolved. Don't you think that should've been your first step?

I get if it is an individual person but I don't get it when you bash the Company that grades your cards and is probably part of the lifeblood of your business or hobby.

Sometimes bad publicity will get things done, especially in the digital age we live in now. From reading this thread, it's obvious that this problem has occurred multiple times to multiple people. At what point does "SGC making it right" seem like it's just not good enough anymore? There comes a point where they need to re-evaluate their product and fix the problem rather than just making things right with individual customers.

I had a problem not long ago with a major retailer selling me a product full of bugs. I bought a bookshelf for my son's room and things were fine for a few months. One day we noticed holes and wood dust on the shelf and I ended up finding out that it was full of wood-eating beetles. When I tried to bring it back to the store they didn't want to do anything because the purchase was over the days allowed to return. I took to social media with pictures and the story and within a day someone had contacted me willing to refund the full purchase price. I was also told that they would open an investigation into the products coming from their vendor that supplied the bookcase full of beetles. Sometimes you need to go beyond that "individual" level and get more people involved if you want to get results.

I'm not bashing here. SGC is my preferred slab and I love the way the black insert looks around the card... BUT if it's not doing it's primary function, which is to protect the card, then what's the point?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Deertick

I am disappointed.

"I'll be wearing a 1920's baseball uniform - haven't decided which one yet, but I'm sure there won't be many of us".

You just wore a jersey. And a pullover at that.

Not only that - it's probably early 1930's.

John - that Buck Weaver is amazing, as always. You guys are starting to get me paranoid about the one valuable oversized item I have in an SGC slab. Fortunately it's resting flat in a safe deposit box.

[dog*dirt]

It is disappointing when you win a card and it looks like this when it arrives. The card may only be in good condition but both upper left and lower right corners have been damaged. How can anyone feel comfortable buying a higher grade oversized card in a SGC holder at this time.

[Peter_Spaeth]

At least the flip has a green border.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

There has to be a reason why they are not using a thicker framing material but I have no idea what it may be.

[atx840]

Originally Posted by dog*dirt

It is disappointing when you win a card and it looks like this when it arrives.

[oldjudge]

This thread has me thinking. As a private company, I would think that SGC does not disclose financials ( I don't know this, just an assumption). Further, SGC, I assume, will reimburse for any damage to a card or cards due to a problem with their holder. I wonder how large a problem it would take to put the company in financial trouble. PSA, as part of Collectors Universe, is public and discloses financials.

[t206hof]

Originally Posted by ZachS

Sometimes bad publicity will get things done, especially in the digital age we live in now. From reading this thread, it's obvious that this problem has occurred multiple times to multiple people. At what point does "SGC making it right" seem like it's just not good enough anymore? There comes a point where they need to re-evaluate their product and fix the problem rather than just making things right with individual customers.

I had a problem not long ago with a major retailer selling me a product full of bugs. I bought a bookshelf for my son's room and things were fine for a few months. One day we noticed holes and wood dust on the shelf and I ended up finding out that it was full of wood-eating beetles. When I tried to bring it back to the store they didn't want to do anything because the purchase was over the days allowed to return. I took to social media with pictures and the story and within a day someone had contacted me willing to refund the full purchase price. I was also told that they would open an investigation into the products coming from their vendor that supplied the bookcase full of beetles. Sometimes you need to go beyond that "individual" level and get more people involved if you want to get results.

I'm not bashing here. SGC is my preferred slab and I love the way the black insert looks around the card... BUT if it's not doing it's primary function, which is to protect the card, then what's the point?

I agree, if someone wants to voice their opinion about something then they have every right to do so.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

This thread has me thinking. As a private company, I would think that SGC does not disclose financials ( I don't know this, just an assumption). Further, SGC, I assume, will reimburse for any damage to a card or cards due to a problem with their holder. I wonder how large a problem it would take to put the company in financial trouble. PSA, as part of Collectors Universe, is public and discloses financials.

I have thought of that also Jay. Also if anyone ever had a big issue I'm not sure any of these companies would be able to handle it let alone willing. I have a feeling this would be pushed to the shippers or courts before they opened a checkbook.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

This thread has me thinking. As a private company, I would think that SGC does not disclose financials ( I don't know this, just an assumption). Further, SGC, I assume, will reimburse for any damage to a card or cards due to a problem with their holder. I wonder how large a problem it would take to put the company in financial trouble. PSA, as part of Collectors Universe, is public and discloses financials.

I bet they have insurance (or should) to cover damage.

[Sean1125]

SGC has responded stating the cards are both being regraded "30/2".

One, in my opinion had some minor dings due to the holder. The second; however, is significantly damaged.

Less than amicable resolution.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

SGC has responded stating the cards are both being regraded "30/2".

One, in my opinion had some minor dings due to the holder. The second; however, is significantly damaged.

Less than amicable resolution.

Maybe the second one was undergraded before.