t210 old mill & t211 red sun cigarette packs

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Posted By: eric p.

i was just wondering if there is any way of telling the difference between a t210 old mill pack from a t206 old mll pack?, has anyone ever seen a t211 red sun pack?, were the red sun baseball and boxing cards from the same exact pack?, any help would be appreciated, thanks!

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Essentially there is no way to tell the difference between a T-206 Old Mill and a T-210. Both were produced at Factoy 2, District 25, State of Virginia and both in 1910 so there would be identical. As for the Red Sun question; I heard there was a Red Sun pack for sale at the National 2 years back. Leon took me to find it but it was gone when we got to the table. Also, the gentleman who I purchased my Broadleaf from told me he used to own a Red Sun but had sold it years earlier. So, I believe they do exist, just not easy to locate. In the 1970's, they re-made the Red Sun pack with the original grahpics. I have posted a picture of it. The original would look identical to this except it would be a slide and shell.

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Posted By: Richard Dwyer

I only have a picture of my old mill box:



Jim Shaw provided Jon Canfield a picture of his Red Sun box in his book: "Baseball & Tobacco, A guide to collecting early baseball related cigarette & tobacco packs".

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Posted By: eric p.

thanks guys for the info, what do t210 and t211 packs usually go for?, are the old mill packs difficult to find?, where can i pickup the book?, richard is the old mill pack for sale?, were the cards inserted at their respected factories or at a different location?, thanks again.

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Posted By: Richard Dwyer

I'll let Jon answer the value question. Contact Jon for the Book also. Sorry Old Mill box is not for sale. Not sure on the last question.

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Posted By: Richard Is Right

Jon, do you have any more of your "Pack" books left?

Very informative.

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Value of the Old Mill box is about $250.00 (based on recent sales). They are quite rare and one of the more desireable packs because of the ornate graphics on the box. It is very visually appealing. In the last 3 years, I have only seen 2 offered for sale, one of which I purchased. As for the guides, I do have a couple left.

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Posted By: Jon, That Is

What's your current e- mail address?

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

jon_canfield@hotmail.com

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Posted By: eric p.

jon and richard, thanks for the info, let me know when that old mill pack becomes available richard, i definitely want the book.

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Posted By: Richard Dwyer

Eric:

Sorry since the box has 1911 overprinting on it, I won't be selling it anytime soon. I believe it's a one of a kind box that no-one else has. The same goes for my Factory 42 Piedmont box. They're both 1:1, and would be both super hard to replace.

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Posted By: leon

I have a slide shell with a date of 1913 on it (I believe, it's rather light). IMHO I don't think the Old Mill packs are that rare compared to some others ie...Broadleaf, Ramly, TTT, Lone Jack etc... I have seen about 10 of the old Mill boxes in the last 8 years. I don't remember how many had the overstamps on them though, and that might be what you are referring to? I don't think I recall seeing any Factory 42 packs, although I would think there's a few more out there...just like the Gypsy Queen pack I have...........later....ps..btw very cool packs you have there...

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Leon - my appoligies as I was referring to 1910/1911 packs. The one pictured above is yours - the other is from Mastro's in 2002. It is 1911 overprinted. (I don't have my own Old Mill pack readily available to scan but mine is a 1910 w/o overprinting.)